Official Freewing MiG-29 Fulcrum Twin 80mm Thread

[t33jetman]

hey folks!
winter season has started and i started working on some mods (geardoors with lights, acl, position lights, aux inlets, airbrakes, fiberglassing, and hopefully a new paint scheme)
has anybody done one or another of those mods. cheers!

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[xviper]

I just saw this video on YouTube and took a look especially on the landing between 5:00 and 5:18:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5NHYSSDA5Y

The landing approach is not fast; at 5:06 the pilot calls "flaps down" (this means it is not the scenario "flying full speed with flaps down"). At about 5:14 one could see a sudden nose down of the MiG. The pilot accelerates (one can hear the EDF go up) and could prevent a crash.

Now I wonder why the MiG all of a sudden put the nose down...? The speed was ok, for me it was a normal landing approach. Was he too slow and was the CG too much forward? Is there a problem with flying at cruise speed with flaps down? Or was the sudden dive a deliberate steering from the pilot and not the MiG itself?

When he deployed flaps, the plane still flew well in the short time afterwards. It wasn't till he was close to touch down that it dove. I think he misjudged the landing approach angle and also the plane got too slow and made the elevators ineffective. At that speed and the fact this is a fairly heavy airplane, with full flaps, the elevators may have been blanked out, nosed down and hit the ground hard. I don't think it's a good idea to have such a steep angle of attack on approach, at that speed and that close to the runway. So, in that sense, it wasn't a "normal" landing approach (for this plane). I find this plane needs a "planned" approach, where it comes in on a long, shallow descent, with flaps and some throttle, nose slightly UP and decreasing altitude to the runway by regulating throttle, nose coming up more and more prior to touchdown.

[GliderGuy]

I just saw this video on YouTube and took a look especially on the landing between 5:00 and 5:18:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5NHYSSDA5Y

The landing approach is not fast; at 5:06 the pilot calls "flaps down" (this means it is not the scenario "flying full speed with flaps down"). At about 5:14 one could see a sudden nose down of the MiG. The pilot accelerates (one can hear the EDF go up) and could prevent a crash.

Now I wonder why the MiG all of a sudden put the nose down...? The speed was ok, for me it was a normal landing approach. Was he too slow and was the CG too much forward? Is there a problem with flying at cruise speed with flaps down? Or was the sudden dive a deliberate steering from the pilot and not the MiG itself?

Most perplexing!

In over 3,000 flights, my MiG-29 never did that. Typically, a set-up on final would be with 25% power (or a bit less), flaps, and eventually into a slight nose-up attitude settling into ground effect...then ease off the throttle for touch down. She's a floater, but needs the CG to be aft of the marks as noted in several prior posts.

What ended her life was the deep stall / alpha lock at too low of an altitude to recover. I didn't have thrust vectoring....and should have. UGH.

-GG

[sunbeam]

I just saw this video on YouTube and took a look especially on the landing between 5:00 and 5:18:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5NHYSSDA5Y

The landing approach is not fast; at 5:06 the pilot calls "flaps down" (this means it is not the scenario "flying full speed with flaps down"). At about 5:14 one could see a sudden nose down of the MiG. The pilot accelerates (one can hear the EDF go up) and could prevent a crash.

Now I wonder why the MiG all of a sudden put the nose down...? The speed was ok, for me it was a normal landing approach. Was he too slow and was the CG too much forward? Is there a problem with flying at cruise speed with flaps down? Or was the sudden dive a deliberate steering from the pilot and not the MiG itself?

[dbirds2]

Go grab an 80mm Mirage!

I just took a look. MIrage looks to be much better at performance than this dang mig 29 or f18

[dbirds2]

Just pulled the trigger on the sab m138 lizard laminated fiber glass pack jet with option for turbine power. Sab makes high quality helis And from the looks of it and talking to some world class heli pilots this jet from sab is freaking incredible. Cant wait to put this together. Anyone wanting a new mig 29 price is 550 and I will cover shipping. Also still trying to sell the f18 blue angel livery. 300 for that

[nuts-n-volts]

There's a reason they call them "smack"!

[xviper]

Nah. He should stick to his smack 3D helos.

[Evan D]

Nah. He should stick to his smack 3D helos.

[JamesonC]

I really hope they bring back the su 35 in its present eps foam. Im afraid Ive come to the end with edf jets. The mig 29 and f18 is the final nail in the coffin for me. I love my f22 and avanti and even my eflite 70mm f16 but theres no more available that I havent had nor interested in. I might venture off into a sab lizard jet with turbine motor for the ultimate flight experience.

Go grab an 80mm Mirage!

[dbirds2]

It is a heavy plane and the proper CG has plagued its performance. TV’s seems to help the alpha lock issue and Airgardian makes this plane perform well. I have one set of batteries that get the CG where I want it and I don’t do aerobatics with it, I just cruise. I get my fix doing aerobatics with my T-33 or L-39 and some with my F-4 or F-18. But like dbirds2 says it’s a tank.

I really hope they bring back the su 35 in its present eps foam. Im afraid Ive come to the end with edf jets. The mig 29 and f18 is the final nail in the coffin for me. I love my f22 and avanti and even my eflite 70mm f16 but theres no more available that I havent had nor interested in. I might venture off into a sab lizard jet with turbine motor for the ultimate flight experience.

[jetpltrich]

Hey bud I would suggest not adding the afterburners on this jet. Its a real big heavy pig as is. Im selling mine as its way too heavy for aerobatic flying. Im not A BIG FAN OF THE MIG 29. zeven with smc batteries its lacking. TAkes too much energy for the jet to perform on the smallest scale. For pilots thinking this is a alternate to the su 35 it is not. I dont know if there will be another su 35 or f22. Anyone looking to buy a mig 29. 5fights on it. I will sell it for 550 dollars and split the shipping. I really don't like it. For you scale guys its fine.

It is a heavy plane and the proper CG has plagued its performance. TV’s seems to help the alpha lock issue and Airgardian makes this plane perform well. I have one set of batteries that get the CG where I want it and I don’t do aerobatics with it, I just cruise. I get my fix doing aerobatics with my T-33 or L-39 and some with my F-4 or F-18. But like dbirds2 says it’s a tank.

[dbirds2]

Well Santa dropped a nice new Mig under the tree last night, so I spent most of the evening and today getting it sorted. I have all the wires plumbed and now the hard part.

Looking to start getting my receiver etc. wired in but wanted to ask about battery position re CG with both VT and AB installed. Anyone have a recommendation they can share?

Also, I did the AB with no exposed wires and lined both thrust tubes with 1.5mil mylar tape to make them smooth and retina burning reflective.

Hey bud I would suggest not adding the afterburners on this jet. Its a real big heavy pig as is. Im selling mine as its way too heavy for aerobatic flying. Im not A BIG FAN OF THE MIG 29. zeven with smc batteries its lacking. TAkes too much energy for the jet to perform on the smallest scale. For pilots thinking this is a alternate to the su 35 it is not. I dont know if there will be another su 35 or f22. Anyone looking to buy a mig 29. 5fights on it. I will sell it for 550 dollars and split the shipping. I really don't like it. For you scale guys its fine.

[xviper]

Thank you, they both look a bit off when eyeballed

On each nozzle, there are 2 small etched lines on the ball part of the nozzle. One line is for up/down alignment and the other is for left/right alignment. Use those for reference in a way that both nozzles have those lines at the same relative locations. Still "eyeballing" but at least you have a sort of guide. The nozzles don't absolutely need to be set exactly ON those lines but the lines help.

[ElCid]

I had to adjust sub trim and rods on mine. Not just on the TVs....

Thank you, they both look a bit off when eyeballed

[Evan D]

I had to adjust sub trim and rods on mine. Not just on the TVs....

[ElCid]

Question re TV, any adjustments needed re servo center or control rod lengths or is it set up correctly out of the box? This is for the TV kit not the red version.

[ElCid]

My left aileron does it ever so slightly. I had it bad on my Mig21. Flew a hundred flights or more lie that, sold it and it's still flying. When I sold it the person was worried and I said "trust me...".

But that said Motion should send you at least one if not a pair even if you decide not to use them.

New pair will be here tomorrow. A little chatter is fine but this is full on rumble.

[Evan D]

My left aileron does it ever so slightly. I had it bad on my Mig21. Flew a hundred flights or more lie that, sold it and it's still flying. When I sold it the person was worried and I said "trust me...".

But that said Motion should send you at least one if not a pair even if you decide not to use them.

[xviper]

What he said. ^^ I've actually flown a couple of planes with stuttering servo on one elevator side and I was lucky, it stopped doing it when there was moving air going past, as far as I could tell in a slow speed low fly by. It didn't make me feel totally comfortable but it never bit me in the butt. Once I changed them, I felt so much better. In one case, I added a small piece of thin foam in the space between the elevator front point and the fuselage next to it. It provided just enough friction to stop the stuttering. That was on my FlexJet. I think it's still flying like that.