Official Freewing MiG-29 Fulcrum Twin 80mm Thread

[Evan D]

I tried 6,8,10 and 12 in my F-22 went back to 8s Jetfan set up. But I added TVs too.

[dbirds2]

Can you post a picture of your chiseled out battery area please? The area is so big as it is and I easily fit 10 and 12S in mine. Plus the side walls are not that thick to allow much removal.


On the MiG-29, the plane itself is very large and heavy. I don't think specifically lighter fans will help but as you note lighter and more efficient may. Jet Fan or other high end carbon shroud fans with efficient fans but that would be expensive on an already costly (and in my opinion not that great flying) plane.

Like I said im second guessing my purchase, kinda got thrown into it after I was told su35 is no longer made. I will give it a try with new fans and ssome hotter 2100kv motors. I doubt I will like it. I think ive come to a dead end in regards to edf jets. JUst stick with my f22 and avanti. The f22 is fast on 10s but it was much more aerobatic on 6s but it was a dog on thrust. No way to beat it i tried. The avanti is bad ass for just turning and burning, really cool jet to fly. I wish there was some other options forr performance trick jets. Im sitting on a new f18 blue angels that nobody wants to buy, that was a waste of money for me and I hope the mig 29 doesnt dissapoint. Ive really been turning my attention to large 3d planes from flex innovations, super nice large and powerful planes and my buddy in florida just bought the 90mm f16 with thrust vectoring from them and he says its the best jet ever witth 8s performance

[TangoVector]

Here's an idea for all you performance-hungry Mig-29 owners: Cut away the old engine pods under the wings and 3D-print new, slightly larger thin walled engine pods, all the way from the inlet to the exhaust, making room for a 90mm system with thrust numbers at 8.8kg/10.6kg with the new V2 Freewing 6S/8S system

[Evan D]

Can you post a picture of your chiseled out battery area please? The area is so big as it is and I easily fit 10 and 12S in mine. Plus the side walls are not that thick to allow much removal.


On the MiG-29, the plane itself is very large and heavy. I don't think specifically lighter fans will help but as you note lighter and more efficient may. Jet Fan or other high end carbon shroud fans with efficient fans but that would be expensive on an already costly (and in my opinion not that great flying) plane.

[dbirds2]

THE F22 IS A GREEAT FLYING JET. I didnt really like it until I chiseled out alot of foam from inside to make rrom for 10s batteries. Now I like it. I have the new mig 29 0n the way but now im scond guessing the rather expensive thrust vectoring plane. Im really bummed about the su35 being scraped. Still my favorite jet for all around fun. Big mistake for freewing to not update the su35 remake the molds and release another lightweight eps foam jet. Nothing on the market competes with the su35 for all around performance and fun. Going to have to lighten up the mig 29, ditch the missile junk, cut lots of foam out from where I can and replace those fans with some lighter more efficient fans.

[TangoVector]

"a lot of you have both the Mig 29 and the F22, so my question is of course: If you had to get rid of one, which one is staying and why?"

I have 27 so obviously I know better between the MiG and F-22... :) But, yes the S-35, which is rumored to now be discontinued and not just out of stock, is a great plane. But that wasn't the question.

I'm thankful for the answers I've gotten and since I'm not interested in getting both at this time, the F22 will probably find its way to my garage quite soon. I'm in the process of assembling my second Su35, with a third still in the box, both "ARF-" with only landing gear installed from the days when Hobbyking carried it.

Thanks again and now back to the regular programming.

[Evan D]

"a lot of you have both the Mig 29 and the F22, so my question is of course: If you had to get rid of one, which one is staying and why?"

I have 27 so obviously I know better between the MiG and F-22... :) But, yes the S-35, which is rumored to now be discontinued and not just out of stock, is a great plane. But that wasn't the question.


Interesting you don't answer the original but complain when others don't...

F-22 is fine, but if I had to get rid of all but one of my jets (I have 19) the one I'd keep is the Sukhoi 35.

[kallend]

My Mig is in a box waiting for Dec 25th so i don't have a data point. I will say i have the F4, A10 and F22 and to me the F22 is one of the best flying planes (not just jets) I have ever owned. You can fly it like a wild man or like a cub. One of the few jets i would say a jet novice can fly and build confidence with.

F-22 is fine, but if I had to get rid of all but one of my jets (I have 19) the one I'd keep is the Sukhoi 35.

[ElCid]

Tobias,

I have both and I can say the F-22 is better hands down. It has a better flight profile, flies great from 6S to 12S (I have 12S in mine), and is a breeze to land. The Mig is a great flyer, but you have to be careful not to get into alpha lock.

My Mig is in a box waiting for Dec 25th so i don't have a data point. I will say i have the F4, A10 and F22 and to me the F22 is one of the best flying planes (not just jets) I have ever owned. You can fly it like a wild man or like a cub. One of the few jets i would say a jet novice can fly and build confidence with.

[ElCid]

The Mig-29 Red Star is on the way to Motion RC. They are already on the water. We have the version which includes Thrust Vectoring on the way. The customer service team is great at supporting customers with existing products but they they have no knowledge of what new products are on the way to Motion RC. I work with Freewing directly on all the ordering and I generally keep what I've ordered to myself (loose lips sink ships, etc). 🤣 I'd like to do a pre-order to figure out the level of interest. It is an expensive plane since this is the version which has thrust vectoring included. Given the livery of the plane, I figured thrust vectoring is a must on this livery. As soon as Alpha can get me some pictures, we will start a pre-order. If the first batch runs out, I'll order more. clear as mud?

My wife picked up a digital camo one for me with the thrust vectoring kit and its sitting wrapped waiting for Christmas. I am wondering if i should just return the plane and the TV kit and wait to get this one.

[xviper]

X, great post. Everything you said is spot on for me too.

on the flip side the F-22 is just awesome.

Thanks. I too, am very satisfied with my F-22 as is another flying buddy who also has an 8s. He also has the MiG-29 with TV nozzles ready to be installed but for some reason, after he finished his F-22 and flew it, he hasn't been very motivated to finish the MiG. I have refrained from responding to the thread about which one would you keep if you had to keep only one - the MiG or the F-22. I'm worried that the poster may be fishing for (and hoping for) a specific answer and the wrong answer may create ill feelings.

[Evan D]

X, great post. Everything you said is spot on for me too.

on the flip side the F-22 is just awesome.

[xviper]

Damn...scary 😅. Thanks for the clarification

It's only "scary" if you don't understand what it takes to get into that situation in the first place and you don't have the TV and a bit of altitude to get out. I've done it once but that was me being stupid and experimenting to see what it was like. Luckily, having the TV nozzles and enough altitude, my butte was clenched real tight for less than 1/2 minute for what felt like "hours". I'll never feel the need to try it again. The problem with this plane is that it doesn't have the thrust to hang in high alpha and drive itself out. It's a big, heavy airplane and only with VT nozzles can you change the attitude of the plane and allow it to gain some airspeed to fly. Even then, it needs a bit of space between it and the ground to do it. Knowing that it can't "hover" for very long, gives you a small advantage.
Having a Freewing SebArt Mig29 makes for good practice (and experience) in getting in and out of high alpha situations but keeping in mind that the SA is a featherweight by comparison.

[Petronio]

Damn...scary 😅. Thanks for the clarification

[Evan D]

Yes. There is more info and videos on the thread at RC Groups.

[Petronio]

What do you guys mean by alpha lock..does it get into high alpha and does not get out? Thx

[Evan D]

Both. The F-22 stays and the MiG goes.

Put TV on the F-22... And make it 8S.

[JamesonC]

I have both and love both, but I would choose my 8s F22 over the Mig for sure! More agile, flies fast and slow extremely well and I have always been a fan of the full scale F22. The F22 does land very well, but I think the Mig lands just as well. I have never gotten into an alpha lock in the Mig, but it is always in the back of my mind just simply from people talking about it.

[crxmanpat]

Tobias,

I have both and I can say the F-22 is better hands down. It has a better flight profile, flies great from 6S to 12S (I have 12S in mine), and is a breeze to land. The Mig is a great flyer, but you have to be careful not to get into alpha lock.

[TangoVector]

Hi guys!

I guess some of you are biased in this forum, but a lot of you have both the Mig 29 and the F22, so my question is of course: If you had to get rid of one, which one is staying and why? I'm looking to probably get one of them (ARF F22, since I already have a nice 8S engine for that one), so any reasons for one or the other is welcome. No matter which one, it will have thrust vectoring installed if I get one. I have a larger Su57 in the making, but it always takes much longer than planned, so one of these would be in preparation for that one to step up from the 80mm size I'm flying at this stage.

Thanks!
Tobias