Official Freewing Twin 80mm/90mm A-10 Thunderbolt II Thread

[TGoelzer]

So all you guys looking to upgrade your EDF's. I did not want to spend the money on the 90mm upgrade (roughly $454.00) So I decided to install the 80mm inrunner's from the Mig 29 ($168.00 total).

This past weekend at my local field I decided to fly my 1st flight with the original outrunner edf's. Then replace the motors with the inrunner edf's for a back to back comparison. I also had three members from my field, watch both flights to give me their thoughts (wanted verification that I wasn't making anything up in my mind).

Hands down the inrunner's are much better! Really didn't see much of a difference during take off. nor did I see a huge gain in overall speed. However the vertical was huge!!!! The plane climbed and climbed and climbed! Plane seemed to fly better. Not as sluggish or cumbersome.

Battery: I was running two Specktrum 5000mah 50C 6S batteries. Flew the 1st flight (old edf's) 3:00 mins flight came down at 3.81 per cells. 2nd flight (new edf's) 3:00 flight time, came down with 3:84 per cells. So the in-runners are not much of an improvement thus far as far as flight times.

Didn't think about putting a GPS unit in, too see if the overall top speed increased. Visually we all agreed it was slightly faster, but how much???

Overall, I think this is a better and cheaper option than the 90mm upgrade.


Hope this helps someone that may be looking to upgrade their A-10.

Tim

[MikeT]

Direct from SMC Racing: www.smc-racing.com
Make sure you select the "True Spec V2 Flight packs". Those are fairly accurate on what the actual C is (and don't believe anyone who has a 100C pack unless it weighs about 50 pounds). I've tested about 20 different brands and the SMC's are the best, at least for me (and those are all "swimming with the fishes" now, what a huge waste of money). All others actual C is more like 25%-40% of their advertised C.

His other batteries are more for the car guys and they have inflated C ratings, only because he has to compete with other manufacturers that all exaggerate the C and he knows that the flight guys don't get suckered in as much on "advertised" C. So don't think because it's ONLY 40C that it's not as good as some others claiming 50-100C. For 6S, the 4500, 5300 and 6200's are top notch. Also check out the weight of these "graphene" batteries, much lighter than other high C batteries. Somewhere on RC Groups there is also a complete analysis done on something like 50 batteries for aircraft and the SMC 6200 is at the top for weight, actual tested C, individual cell amps and price. If you have any questions about the packs, send an e-mail to the owner, Danny Sullivan, and he'll get back to you immediately, he's very customer service oriented.

Interesting read.

Thanks
Mike

[Elbee]

Hugh Wiedman You are a fountain of sage wisdom and truth. Thank you for all that you do, Sir. Best, LB

[Hugh Wiedman]

Where do you get the SMC's from?

Direct from SMC Racing: www.smc-racing.com
Make sure you select the "True Spec V2 Flight packs". Those are fairly accurate on what the actual C is (and don't believe anyone who has a 100C pack unless it weighs about 50 pounds). I've tested about 20 different brands and the SMC's are the best, at least for me (and those are all "swimming with the fishes" now, what a huge waste of money). All others actual C is more like 25%-40% of their advertised C.

His other batteries are more for the car guys and they have inflated C ratings, only because he has to compete with other manufacturers that all exaggerate the C and he knows that the flight guys don't get suckered in as much on "advertised" C. So don't think because it's ONLY 40C that it's not as good as some others claiming 50-100C. For 6S, the 4500, 5300 and 6200's are top notch. Also check out the weight of these "graphene" batteries, much lighter than other high C batteries. Somewhere on RC Groups there is also a complete analysis done on something like 50 batteries for aircraft and the SMC 6200 is at the top for weight, actual tested C, individual cell amps and price. If you have any questions about the packs, send an e-mail to the owner, Danny Sullivan, and he'll get back to you immediately, he's very customer service oriented.

[Coconut]

Where do you get the SMC's from?

[Hugh Wiedman]

How long do you fly with 2x6000mAh, 50C Admiral PRO battery?

I used to use the Admiral Pro 50C and got 5 minutes of fairly aggressive flight time. Those batteries are OK, but not as good as the SMC 6200 40C batteries I now use in virtually everything. They are about 25 gr less in weight and have twice the actual discharge rate (C). The Admirals actual C is closer to 17C while the SMC's are around 38C. With that said, I get over 5 minutes on the SMC's if I push it hard (upgraded the fans to the 9 blade 3658-1920Kv inrunners that were in my Mig 29), and if I fly it more scale like, 6-7 minutes.

I'm also balanced about 15-20mm further aft than the manual CG. With the stock outrunners and the Admirals, I suggest you initially set your timer at 4:00 and adjust from there depending on your flying style.

[RAFALR30]

How long do you fly with 2x6000mAh, 50C Admiral PRO battery?

[Elbee]

FWIW I've found this compendium of topics on the A-10 on another forum pretty useful...https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...II-tips-tweaks-Dave

AD, Wow, now that's what I'm talkin' about. Thank you for posting this and what great information it is. Well done, Sir. Best, LB

[ATCDave1]

FWIW I've found this compendium of topics on the A-10 on another forum pretty useful...

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...II-tips-tweaks

-Dave

[RAFALR30]

I've found that Tamiya Acrylic XF-19 Sky Gray, has worked very well for me.

LON thanks a lot for the information 👍

[Lon]

Does anyone know what paint number (FS number) Freewing uses to paint the A-10?
I have a few scratches and would like to paint the model.

I've found that Tamiya Acrylic XF-19 Sky Gray, has worked very well for me.

[Twowingtj]

Finally decided to put the MIG-29 inrunner fans in the A-10. Looking forward to the longer flight times.

I've been flying this bird since the first batch in the pre-order. It's earned a new set of fans.

It's still my favorite Freewing EDF.

[Elbee]

Does anyone know what paint number (FS number) Freewing uses to paint the A-10?
I have a few scratches and would like to paint the model.

R3, I don't have the post number, however, if you'll look at the very early pages of this Official Thread, I guarantee you'll find a Home Depot paint number/picture and quite possibly the FS numbers, as well. Best, LB

[RAFALR30]

Does anyone know what paint number (FS number) Freewing uses to paint the A-10?
I have a few scratches and would like to paint the model.

[jasmith41]

"wookin' pa nub in all da wong paces..."

[crxmanpat]

Hello

I did not find in the manual information about getting the elevator 5 mm up.
Maybe you mean information like in the manual: "Flap-elevator mix parameter.
When deploying the flaps, the jet will tend to fly tail heavy. In order to correct this, we recommend a 'Flap/Elevator' mix
within your radio. In this case, when you deploy the flaps, the airplane will maintain level flight.
Setting range is as following:
Deploy flaps to 50mm, pre-set the elevator 3mm down.
Deploy flaps to 32mm, pre-set elevator 2mm down. Fine tune
these settings according to your individual taste." ?

It's actually the information directly above that:

1. Correct elevator center position

After assembly, adjust the elevator to
its center position, please refer to the photo.
After adjusting, the surface should look as if it has a little up
elevator.

The instructions don't say 5mm, but that is what it measures out to be.

[RAFALR30]

Welcome to Hobby Squawk!

1. Yes. These mounts are universal for all Freewing planes that use them.
2. If flying from grass, use the first link. If flying from a hard surface, use the second link.

Also take note that in the stock form, the nose gear is the same as the second link you have. It's best to have the nose gear match up with the mains.

CG is better at 86-90mm instead of the 78mm called for in the manual. And don't forget to set the elevators up 5mm for their neutral position (this is described in the manual).

Hello

I did not find in the manual information about getting the elevator 5 mm up.
Maybe you mean information like in the manual: "Flap-elevator mix parameter.
When deploying the flaps, the jet will tend to fly tail heavy. In order to correct this, we recommend a 'Flap/Elevator' mix
within your radio. In this case, when you deploy the flaps, the airplane will maintain level flight.
Setting range is as following:
Deploy flaps to 50mm, pre-set the elevator 3mm down.
Deploy flaps to 32mm, pre-set elevator 2mm down. Fine tune
these settings according to your individual taste." ?

[RAFALR30]

Welcome to Hobby Squawk!

1. Yes. These mounts are universal for all Freewing planes that use them.
2. If flying from grass, use the first link. If flying from a hard surface, use the second link.

Also take note that in the stock form, the nose gear is the same as the second link you have. It's best to have the nose gear match up with the mains.

CG is better at 86-90mm instead of the 78mm called for in the manual. And don't forget to set the elevators up 5mm for their neutral position (this is described in the manual).

crxmanpat thank you very much for Your answer and important information about CG and the elevator.

[crxmanpat]

Hello modellers.
I bought a used A-10 from a friend.
The model requires a few repairs.
I have a questions:
1. Does the set (handle) from F16 (EDF 90mm) fit the A-10? Are the dimensions of the pylon handles the same in both models?
https://www.motionrc.eu/products/fre...re-fj306110916
2. Which main landing gear is better for the A-10?
https://www.motionrc.eu/products/fre...eft-fj31111085
or
https://www.motionrc.eu/products/fre...ft-fj311110812

Welcome to Hobby Squawk!

1. Yes. These mounts are universal for all Freewing planes that use them.
2. If flying from grass, use the first link. If flying from a hard surface, use the second link.

Also take note that in the stock form, the nose gear is the same as the second link you have. It's best to have the nose gear match up with the mains.

CG is better at 86-90mm instead of the 78mm called for in the manual. And don't forget to set the elevators up 5mm for their neutral position (this is described in the manual).

[RAFALR30]

Hello modellers.
I bought a used A-10 from a friend.
The model requires a few repairs.
I have a questions:
1. Does the set (handle) from F16 (EDF 90mm) fit the A-10? Are the dimensions of the pylon handles the same in both models?
https://www.motionrc.eu/products/fre...re-fj306110916
2. Which main landing gear is better for the A-10?
https://www.motionrc.eu/products/fre...eft-fj31111085
or
https://www.motionrc.eu/products/fre...ft-fj311110812