Official Freewing 90mm F-16 V2 EDF Jet Thread

[xviper]

Correction on inputs…. 0-100, not -100 to 100.

That's where the difference is when using Spektrum. "0" is a mid-point on a switch travel. If it's at position "0", it doesn't really know which way to go. It could stay on forward or reverse, depending on where it started when the battery is plugged in. The danger being that while flying, position "0" is confusing for a Spektrum set up where it needs to see the far ends of the range (IE, -100 or +100), thus having the possibility of going the other way. It would be horrible for it to go into reverse while flying with no way to bring it back to forward. The only option would be to shut down the throttle and dead stick it in.
Good thing you confined your search to your radio system.

[f4u ausie]

Just bit of a report... After nearly crashing :: turning to final.. the 1100 grams of HRB was to heavy 🪨.. did fly very well... Went back to 6s for a bit, but struggling to get off the grass.. also to fly well on 6 U need alot of throttle.
. Sooo. 2 HRB 4000 4 s and back in with the 8s fan.. vwalla magic.... They way 800 grams big difference...
Great balance of power and weight.. and flys well at 50 percent throttle a safe new year to all

[urrl]

Morning flights

[Elbee]

urrl,

Nice morning ops, Sir.

Great lookin' Viper.

Best and Happy New Year, LB

[urrl]

Thanks LB. Happy New Year to you

[Aros]

Morning flights

Nothing like some greasers in the morning! Well done.

Just flew mine the other day. Great flyer!

[f4u ausie]

Firstly. Need to replace my ar631 Rx because I pull the 1 wire thru the fuse behind the latch then glue .. a mistake.. after near disaster.. was about to rotate and lost power,,around 25 meters from me... After range check. Discovering the 1 wire on rx had pulled out of itself.. lucky,, was b4 rotation...
I'm sure that happened. With flex in the fuse.. ifit was not glued it would not have pulled out.. anyway will replace. It. Sooo. Thinking about flaperons and tailerons.
Hope I got the correct names?? Will b a first setup 4 me like this ..and getting out of my comfort zone.. so can I do it with 6 channel Rx. Or is 8 req. I'm using an nx7 which has been upgraded for plus Rx s. Here is the best part. I have no god damb idea how to do it.. make it simple cause I'm stupid
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And will it fly differently. And land slower boy thatwas an effort on my fone. Thanx

[Aros]

Whew! Luckily it didn't rotate! Good luck with your mixing. If you find out how to do it let me know because I've been meaning to do that forever!

[Evan D]

I would never use that receiver in anything bigger than a 64mm jet. I believe in satellites. This jet is a 6ch jet without extra mixes like tailerons or flaperons. Throttle, ailerons, elevators, rudder and steering, retracts, and reverse. Add a channel for flaperons or tailerons and you have to remove one of the basic six. Want the basic six and flaperons = 7. Add tailerons = 8. Add separate steering = 9.

[f4u ausie]

Thanx Evan xviper said same(ar631) don't need reverse so 8 channels is it worth the effort in your opinion.. 4 me not so much about the scale effect.. mainly bit more slow down on final.. I'm happy way it flies

[xviper]

I've found with this plane, using those air brakes really helps to slow it down. I flip them open on final. They also seem to help me to keep the nose up a bit on landing. Keep a bit throttle once the brakes open up as the plane does slow down noticeably. Once touch down happens, throttle off and those air brakes help again. I use reverse just for dramatic effect but occasionally for added braking if I don't touch down early enough.
Flaperons can also help to slow down on final but just be careful not to dial in too much flap or you could overdrive the aileron servos if you need lots of travel for roll correction. Tailerons are handy if you want more roll or crisper rolls but I find them to be just a bit too much for me, so I use a lot of expo and reduced rates on AIL for just flying around.
Insofar as the receiver goes, I use the Lemon 10-ch stabilized RX with telemetry in many of my planes. Must have the satellite for insurance. The Lemon is so much cheaper than even the 8-ch Spektrum. For all of the things you want to try, 8-ch is good. The Spektrum 10-ch costs way too much for my liking.
When I first started to do flaperons and tailerons, I always wondered where the heck to I plug all those leads in. Hint: once you select the aircraft type (ie, flaperon or 2 AIL, taileron, etc.), go to the main screen and roll to see the "monitor". Work the sticks and watch the bars move. That will tell you which channel to plug which thing into. Eg. If you have flaperons and you work the AIL stick, you'll see which channel bars move. That tells you that one aileron goes into the AIL port and you'll see the other channel that the other aileron goes into (likely the flap port). Same goes for each elevator lead when you work the AIL and ELE stick. When you open the "flap" menu, you can also see those bars move when you throw the flap switch.

[f4u ausie]

Thanx X ye. .. that helps looots. ..and yep. An 8 channel as3x receiver spectrum is $250 bucks. Quart the price of a plp jet. B safe

[Evan D]

I forgot all about the airbrakes. That’s on top of what I wrote previously.

I agree 100% about the CRAZY price for Spektrum receivers. I have a few (I have 94 planes, helos and quads ready to fly) but most of my aircraft use Orange receivers. Only one plane has a Spektrum with AS3X, my V1200 that came with it. I have a few planes with separate gyros, HobbyWing, one with a Vector and one came with an Aura. Point is I don’t pay the prices they want.

[f4u ausie]

Like to ask one last if I can. If U use a compatible receiver. And satellite. Do u adjust the gyro(as3x). Settings in the same way

[Evan D]

I'm not sure what you are asking. When you say compatible receiver are you saying a non-Spektrum receiver (Orange, Lemon, Redcon, iRanger, etc)?

AS3X is a Spektrum trademark thing. Some other receivers have built in gyros sort of like AS3X and some have auto level similar to SAFE. And then there are stand alone gyros that electronically go between the receiver and the servos (or a mixing board or MCBe like FreeWing uses).

Most (if not all) of the Spektrum receivers with AS3X use either backwards or forwards programing. Backwards is with a computer or ap on your phone and a dongle. Forward is through your transmitter if compatible. In general the Spektrum AS3X especially the new +Plus versions are superior to older ones and many stand alone ones.

Stand alone are all over the place. Some have mechanical pots to adjust, some are done via a computer.

Hope that helps.

Like to ask one last if I can. If U use a compatible receiver. And satellite. Do u adjust the gyro(as3x). Settings in the same way

[f4u ausie]

Lemon I can get them from RC caste. Sorry Evan .. should have stated.. the 2 technically. Most helpful on the squark. Your good self Evan and also always helpful xviper. R using orange or lemon(must b a colourful thing) lol. So they gota b ok. Sooo. If I use lemon will the forward programming setup ,,and gyro adjustment b the Same. I would get them with stabilisation

[Evan D]

No, forward programming is a Spektrum thing and the lemon are not adjusted that way.

[xviper]

Like to ask one last if I can. If U use a compatible receiver. And satellite. Do u adjust the gyro(as3x). Settings in the same way

My answer will be from a different perspective in case that's what your question is about. In the Lemon brand, the gyro gain numbers don't parallel those in Spektrum AS3X RXs. Eg. In Spektrum, gain numbers for a typical fast jet in "roll" can be in the 50 to 60 range prior to oscillation in that axis. Lemon, by contrast for the same axis, typically use gains in the 30 to 35 range.
With current Spektrum RXs, adjustments and settings can easily be done by "forward programming" directly from the TX. Most new, unlocked Spek RXs come with pre-set gains. There is a small learning curve involved in knowing how and what to do but after doing a couple, it becomes very easy. Spektrum has a lengthy series of YouTube videos detailing various instructions.

From the Lemon standpoint, most come with gain pots (3) that are pre-set at about 50%. Stabilization must be "activated" or the RX acts like a normal non-stabilized one. 50% is generally way too much for most planes except very slow ones like a slow sailplane, so gains must be dialed down by changing the pots or using a switch to set a fraction of the default percentage or a master gain knob to dial down the gain on the fly. (Spektrum allows you to do this, too.) Setting RX parameters is done by knowing what the little lights mean and what to do when the light sequence you see is what you need to do a change. This involves button pushes on the RX itself. Again, a bit of a learning curve but can become easier with practice. Lemon products do NOT come with instructions. You must go the various sources, one of which is Lemon Online, to download a "manual" for your specific product.

Unfortunately, Orange products are hard to get for me. HobbyKing will not ship many of their products to Canada. I have used Orange in the past and I quite liked them. Good, reliable tech, very reasonable pricing. I am currently trying to purchase a plane from them and I am told that their logistics people have to go in and actually revise the SKU for that product so that it can be shipped to Canada. That's how messed up their system is for us.

As already stated, a remote satellite RX is almost compulsary for today's planes with all their electronic wiring and rats nest of cabling, not to mention the higher voltage that is typically encountered.

[xviper]

Lemon I can get them from RC caste.

Same here. However, I've found lately that RCC don't seem to keep stock of the Lemon RXs that I want. That being the case, I've found that I can get them directly from Lemon Online for about the same price. I also have a Canadian online shop that carries the Lemon line but again, they don't always have good stock. In fact, Mr. Mailman brought my Lemon 10-ch from G. Hobbies today. Same price, same delivery time as Lemon and RCC.

[f4u ausie]

Thank U both for your time all of the info is what I was looking for thanx again b safe. A bit to digest