Official Black Horse 2350mm Gilmore Red Lion

[mechwizz]

Just received My Gilmore today and everything was in great shape during the unboxing review.

One question though... Did anyone else have to bond on the all of the cowl bump-outs or did the cowl come with them installed?

[Twowingtj]

It looks like the latest shipment of the BH Gilmore will be sold out soon. Only 8 left, in the U.S. warehouse, as of this morning.

That means that there should be a lot of these birds out there flying this year. Let's just hope that this COVID thing comes under control soon, so they can be seen at events this year. I'm hoping to take mine to the Golden Age Air Museum RC Fly-in, The Aeros' Festival of Giants, and The Rhinebeck Jamboree.

[Twowingtj]

djmoose Thanks for the kudos. Your prefered CG and throws may wind up different. Either way, staring out tail heavy rarely ends well. The Gilmore has a long tail moment as well. So having too much throw on the elevator, for flight, makes an unpleasant situation even worse. The ailerons are relatively small, so aren't as sensitive.

The wheel pants are pretty sturdy. Attach them with screw vs. epoxying as the instructions say. The supplied wheels have no real give to them so, unless you nose over, the wheel pants won't get damaged. I may, at some point, explore better wheels for it.

Going 4 6S packs in a 2S/2P configuration should be doable. Especially if it eliminates the need for dead weight in the nose.

[djmoose]

Welcome to Red Lion Land! What are your plans for power?

I've enjoyed your other project posts. It would be great to see your progress on the Gilmore shared here too.

Thanks man! I plan to do a full video series on this plane as well. Twow, all of the data you've added here is GOLD. the fact that you'd found through trial and error an enjoyable CG....that's priceless...and partly why I pulled the trigger. (AND because motion has spare parts....which is very important with these huge wheel pants)

I'll be going electric...so now it's just to find the right motor. I have a ton of 6S packs...so I might see my options of running 4 packs in series & parallel instead of buying new 6k or 7k packs. We'll see. Lots of options.

[Twowingtj]

Welcome to Red Lion Land! What are your plans for power?

I've enjoyed your other project posts. It would be great to see your progress on the Gilmore shared here too.

[djmoose]

I just pulled the trigger! Thank you for all of the info in this thread! I'll try to add to it!

[Twowingtj]

The Admiral GP60 and DualSky 180kv motors would be fine choices too.

In fact, the Admiral GP60 was supposed to be the motor going into my Gilmore. But, do to availability delays, I opted for the DualSky, in order to get the build going. I'm still more than happy with the DualSky.

[RC ML]

Thanks for the info . I will go for the Dualsky 160kv

[Twowingtj]

RC ML I'm not familiar with that motor. Based on the specs found on-line, it would likely be under powered. The plane will come in at more that the 20lbs on the product page. In order to get it to balance right, it will weigh about 25-26lbs. The 3000watts of output from the motor you mentioned, would only give you about 115w per lb. A bit too low for a model with a big round front end like the Gilmore IMHO.

A power set-up that would turn a 24" prop and produce 140-150w/per lb. would provide a balance of proper look and sport performance.

[RC ML]

Any thoughts on this engine Pichler Boost 180 Brushless Esc S-CON 150HV and what prop should be fine ? eastheticly and for flying .

[Twowingtj]

TO HIGH TO HIGH I'm running the ZTW 18A BEC / UBEC on a 2S 3300-3600mah lipo. I set the output to 6V. It's more than enough power for the number of servos the Gilmore uses. The SA-1256tg servos are more than enough as well. The surfaces are not that large and they aren't using 3D type throws.

[TO HIGH TO HIGH]

Hi Twowingtj My Dualsky GA6000.9 160kv arrived the other day very nice. I was wanting to know what make and model separate Bec you are using and what size battery lipo battery and how many cells you are using to power the servos.

Looking at using Savox Servos the SA-1256tg 20kg 6V Standed Digital high torgue titanium gear

or should I use the Savox Servo the SC-1268SG 25kg HV servos.

[Twowingtj]

I don't know how many planes came in on the last shipment from Black Horse 9 or 10 days ago. I noticed that many of the larger Black Horse warbirds that came in then, have already sold out or are close to doing so.

There seems to be a lot of demand for the larger balsa ARFs. The Gilmore included.

[Twowingtj]

RC ML Congrats! Now, the fun begins.

[RC ML]

My xmas present finally arrived .

[Twowingtj]

Thimble Based on the engine specs, the UMS 7-77cc should be a good choice power wise. The opening at the front of the cowl is 10.75" (273mm), so the 9" diameter of the engine would look nice and allow cooling air to reach everything. The sound of a well tuned 7 cylinder radial would be perfect.

Adding some 1/8" aircraft grade light ply to the front and back of the firewall before mounting the engine is suggested. It would help prevent wood compression of the factory firewall, when supporting the extra weight of an IC engine.

If you go with this set-up, please share some pictures so we can see how great it looks.

[Thimble]

Would the UMS 7-77cc glow enginemate well to this model? Looking at the specs it seems it would be but wanted to get thoughts. I think a nice radial would sound and look great in this magnificent beast. Thanks!

[gijon]

Twowingtj,
Thanks for the comments. I'll keep plugging away at it.

[Twowingtj]

Good looking GBY. The yellow and black scheme is the best looking IMHO.

Good luck with fixing the covering. The pre-printed covering looks nice, but repairs wind up more of a challenge. Motion does offer the covering "set" for some of the planes, but not this one yet.

Any of those engines should work well with the Gilmore. The EME 70 twin would sound sweet pulling this big bird around.

[gijon]

Thanks for the welcome. I just picked it up as an airframe only. The previous owner did not build it to my liking. The horizontal stab was installed upside down with the covering seams on top. I intend to fix that. He also cut holes in the top of the wing section near the fuse to tighten the hold down bolts. Don't know why... I would like to repair that as well. I do not need much covering material for those repairs.
As far as setup, I'm going gas. I have not yet decided what I will power it with. I have 3 choices at this point. Zenoah G-62, Sachs 4.2, EME 70 twin.
When I called Motion RC about spares, they did not have anything and do not seem to eager to assist me.

I like the 30s era racers. This is a match to my 27% GBY.