Official Black Horse 2350mm Gilmore Red Lion

[406PIlot]

djmoose that is correct. No linkage or servo hooked up. The measurements were just the movement of the aileron. I don't suspect it will change much with the linkage but I'll report back soon as I have servos installed so I can check / test things.thing

[DaleD]

My brief Maiden report:

Taxiing straight is good , but turning is wide , maybe i expanded the Little coils on the rudder to much .

Taking off was perfect , on high rate for Security reason. But now i fly on low rate and even that is enough .

Just needed a little up trimming.

Flying straight , a little nose heavy , but i prefere this .

Have +_ 450 gr nose weight. And i have to put the batteries 2cm from the firewall. I will measure the real cg with this set up .

Full power , keeps going up , speed is fast .

But what a Engine noise , just like a real fighter plane . Maybe it is the propeller , but it is like a real plane, you can hear it a little bit on the YouTube film .

Landing is something else , the landing speed is very high . You need some space.

Maybe this will get better if i can come closer to the critical landing speed .

The wheels need real bearings to get rid of the sometimes ugly noise of the wheels .

My flight time with 6000mah is -+6 min with 30% left .

Overall , i love it . The looks , the feel ,....And that sound .....

I need to thank twowingtj You gave a lot of helpfull information and it made my first flite so easy , the Gilmore was dialed in perfect . After 10 seconds it felt like i flew this plane for months .

Beautiful model and, while short, a very lovely flight. Thanks for sharing.

She did appear a bit hot on landing to me. I wondered if this was your choice given it was the first flight and you didn't wish to take any chances. Also wondered why you didn't try to get an idea of the stall speed at say two mistakes high. During a maiden, I always try and simulate an approach at altitude to get an idea as of behaviour or bad tendencies.

Looking forward to other videos.

DaleD

[RC ML]

My brief Maiden report:

Taxiing straight is good , but turning is wide , maybe i expanded the Little coils on the rudder to much .

Taking off was perfect , on high rate for Security reason. But now i fly on low rate and even that is enough .

Just needed a little up trimming.

Flying straight , a little nose heavy , but i prefere this .

Have +_ 450 gr nose weight. And i have to put the batteries 2cm from the firewall. I will measure the real cg with this set up .

Full power , keeps going up , speed is fast .

But what a Engine noise , just like a real fighter plane . Maybe it is the propeller , but it is like a real plane, you can hear it a little bit on the YouTube film .

Landing is something else , the landing speed is very high . You need some space.

Maybe this will get better if i can come closer to the critical landing speed .

The wheels need real bearings to get rid of the sometimes ugly noise of the wheels .

My flight time with 6000mah is -+6 min with 30% left .

Overall , i love it . The looks , the feel ,....And that sound .....

I need to thank twowingtj You gave a lot of helpfull information and it made my first flite so easy , the Gilmore was dialed in perfect . After 10 seconds it felt like i flew this plane for months .

[djmoose]

Ok, so that 22mm down and 30mm up is just the aileron and how far it move total with nothing connected?

My servo's haven't arrived yet. So I can't say for sure. I'm waiting till they get here so I can fit them in and make sure I get a good fitting length aluminum / metal arm that will provide all the travel needed. As soon as I have them in hand (probably next week) I'll get some measurements and let you know exactly what arms I'll be using.

[406PIlot]

Thanks! What length of servo arm are you using?

My servo's haven't arrived yet. So I can't say for sure. I'm waiting till they get here so I can fit them in and make sure I get a good fitting length aluminum / metal arm that will provide all the travel needed. As soon as I have them in hand (probably next week) I'll get some measurements and let you know exactly what arms I'll be using.

[djmoose]

Thanks! What length of servo arm are you using?

My hinges are epoxied in and my control horn is mounted & this is what I'm getting. On the aileron I am measuring 22mm down travel & 30mm up travel.

[406PIlot]

The aileron horns are kind of funny. If they sit in that pocket, they don't extend directly over the hinge point...which is going to introduce some differential. unfortunately, I believe it's going to introduce the wrong differential (more down than up) <thinking out loud>...I wonder if it's designed that way to offset the angle of the servo...so if your aileron servo arm is 90 degrees to the servo case...(which is not perpendicular to the hinge line)...then maybe the dual offsets cancel each other? Do you think BH thought this much about the design? Only one way to find out. :-)
(yes, these are thing things I ponder)

My hinges are epoxied in and my control horn is mounted & this is what I'm getting. On the aileron I am measuring 22mm down travel & 30mm up travel.

[djmoose]

The aileron horns are kind of funny. If they sit in that pocket, they don't extend directly over the hinge point...which is going to introduce some differential. unfortunately, I believe it's going to introduce the wrong differential (more down than up) <thinking out loud>...I wonder if it's designed that way to offset the angle of the servo...so if your aileron servo arm is 90 degrees to the servo case...(which is not perpendicular to the hinge line)...then maybe the dual offsets cancel each other? Do you think BH thought this much about the design? Only one way to find out. :-)
(yes, these are thing things I ponder)

[Twowingtj]

Question about horns. It doesn't appear that there are pre-drilled holes for the aileron horns. Are the holes for the elevator and rudder horns pre-drilled?

See post #11 for the aileron horns and holes. If I remember correctly, the holes for the rudder and elevators are pre-drilled.

RC ML Congrats on the maiden. Looks like it went well.

[406PIlot]

RC ML ML Nice quick flight. Seems to take off and land with no problems. Are you using the book control throws for all surfaces? How did it feel in the air?

Great work!

[406PIlot]

Question about horns. It doesn't appear that there are pre-drilled holes for the aileron horns. Are the holes for the elevator and rudder horns pre-drilled?

I haven't gotten to the elevator or rudder yet. On the Ailerons I used a small 2mm drill bit to make a pilot hole then put a drop of CA in each hole let it setup and then screwed in the arm. Didn't have any cracking or issues at all.

[RC ML]

Video of the Maiden

https://youtu.be/dJVoQnU1gTo

[djmoose]

Question about horns. It doesn't appear that there are pre-drilled holes for the aileron horns. Are the holes for the elevator and rudder horns pre-drilled?

[djmoose]

Mine is 31 1/4 inches. That's rather odd. I'd love to hear others.

Can anyone tell me what the size of their wing tube is? The manual says it should be 890mm or 35inches. The wing tube I received in my kit is only about 760mm or 30 inches.

[RC ML]

Maiden , without the shoes ..
What a diving sound .....

[Twowingtj]

RC ML Looks Great! Nice detail on the dummy engine.

406PIlot Nice engine! Looking forward to seeing how it looks wrapped in the big cowl.

[RC ML]

Well the engine came in today!!!



Another question. Has anyone ever used the power box regulator switches before?

Here is a link to the switch I was looking at.

https://www.chiefaircraft.com/pbs-6330.html

I use the V3 and is was simple to install and works fine . I put them on 2 batteries 2200 lipo 7,4V-30C and connected the 2 rx outputs into 2 open servo ports . i use a 8 channel 8020 spektrum rx .

[DaleD]

Well the engine came in today!!!



Another question. Has anyone ever used the power box regulator switches before?

Here is a link to the switch I was looking at.

https://www.chiefaircraft.com/pbs-6330.html

YES!!!! Glad to see an IC powered Gilmore about to be assembled. Can’t wait to hear how she performs.

DaleD

[406PIlot]

Well the engine came in today!!!



Another question. Has anyone ever used the power box regulator switches before?

Here is a link to the switch I was looking at.

https://www.chiefaircraft.com/pbs-6330.html

[406PIlot]

RC ML looks dang good!!! Can't wait to hear about or maybe see some video of the maiden!!!

Cheers to a job well done!