Alternative motor windings and drive schemes

[Clugh]

https://www.rc-network.de/threads/innenl%C3%A4ufer-mit-getriebe-am-speeder.12036277/post-12898515

I will say this at one look. If an outrunner was the premier design in F5B applications then the gearboxes in runners wouldn't be in there. I mean ralph gives the thumbs up to your post because he has actually made those props & wound those outrunner engines and came home with a trophy. You cannot take that from him then.

Right is right wrong is wrong. so if you believe that about the outrunner what the hell are you arguing about and post the 3040/7 an inrunner. against his external rotor if you yourself thinks its better and he got that from you.

These arguments just go in circles...



Bye....

[Clugh]

Was Requisiten angeht, hat niemand so viel angesammelt wie er, und ich muss ihm zugutehalten, dass er bei einem Speedflying-Wettbewerb keine Requisiten hat. Er hat einige hohe Würfe gemacht. Ralphs Hauptproblem sind seine sozialen Probleme. Wenn er offen wäre und den Sport weiterentwickeln würde, würde er mit den Requisiten viel Geld verdienen und seine Freunde würden auch davon profitieren.

Weil er rassistische Bildunterschriften und Schimpfwörter mag, kann ich nichts gegen ihn tun. er bringt das Schlechteste in mir zum Vorschein und das ist nicht mein Ding.



Danke,
Hubert

[Clugh]

When u put all parameters in including the planes parameters weight slip coefficient etc. this is what you get with the 405 gram inrunner and gearbox in American. Its is not realistic to look at it with Croco props because we do not have access to any of that. None of them relinquish us to that so in this game their really are no friends in hobby... The speed is well over 550 km/h 10 x 29 GM's @ 6 degrees camber




These power levels and higher are commonly captured in in F5B logs in real flight. An 895 gram inrunner from America would really be something. Ask Gerben what is possible.

And this has been posted already so clearly we do not pay attention to anything but ourselves talk If you all are not going to build anything new, wind anything new, or even use a scope to analyze it all falls upon deaf ears AFAIC.

Thank you,
Hubert

[Clugh]

Das ist das Schöne an einem „eisenlosen Schwein“. Ich kann mir die Wellenform ansehen, die die Geometrie erzeugt, bevor ich einen Stahlschnitt kaufe. Das ist viel einfacher als FEMM. Es ist auch sehr kosteneffizient in der Entwicklung. Lassen Sie uns das wickeln und sehen, was es bewirkt. Wenn Sie nicht interessiert sind, warum sind Sie dann hier, denn ich werde ganz offensichtlich etwas anderes als einen radialen Skorpion-Stator in einem DLRK-Y-Kreuz wickeln, zu meinem eigenen Vergnügen. Ich werde einen dünnen Draht mit vielen Windungen verwenden, sodass wir eine echte Amplitude zum Anschauen bekommen, wenn ich ihn mit einer Antriebsmaschine antreibe. Klingt nach einem Plan?

[Clugh]

In einem internationalen Markenkrieg spielt das keine Rolle, denn die jüngsten Wahlen hier und Elon Musk werden die Preise in der EU mit Sicherheit in die Höhe treiben, und die EU wird die Preise bei uns in die Höhe treiben. Motoren aus Deutschland werden für Amerikaner bald noch teurer werden, es sei denn, Sie kaufen natürlich einen Tesla …

[Clugh]

Wow Ralph you put alot of copper in there but you're still the master of goofy because u keep presenting the helicopter motor from scorpion for an airplane when the A series has a more efficient magnetic circuit with less resonance and a much better axial cooling profile. Do you even work with scorpion anymore? it doesn't seem like it. Use a modern inverter than can process 14 poles. New inverters also have low pass filtering capability with beta flight.

The data is also real here:
NEW Release! Scorpion A-5025 Series Motors - For 30cc-35cc Airplanes - Scorpion Power System



You still run the 12N10P hk's 1-5 and a YGE which IS NOT six step... You sure you work with scorpion????



Hubert

[Clugh]

When life stresses me out I work on my models....



TTYL
Hubert

[Clugh]

I've plenty of scrap iron from scorpion ( 4025's ,4035, and 5020's) and several American in runners from castle. So we can look at BEMF signal integrity and harmonic content of each on the scope driven to 44,000 rpm. The 1717 1Y is right at 45,000 on 6s lipo. The perfect prime mover. I have 15kW of resistive load laying around this house.



Hubert

[Clugh]

Another pyro 650 stator stripped for the AJ wind, a thermally coupled 8+8 YY in17 Awg. with 3 ceramic hybrid ball bearings. I also have a P32 Maxon 3.7 - 1 planetary gearbox on the way . It comes with a 5mm pinion so I'll mate it to the 3225 Lightning Xnova for a geared outrunner compact enough to actually fit inside the F5B airframe. this is a lighter and more powerful package that will run cooler and consume less battery than powercroco scorpion 3226 on a Super chief gearbox. The P32 on pyro 600 is also lighter.

[Clugh]

A RFM Spinner 32/6mm Twisted Spinner +7 Offset has been ordered from soaring USA. 😘

Thank you
Hubert

[Clugh]

EDIT!

Internal rotor with gearbox on the Speeder | Page 6 | RC-Network.de

I'm glad it's over!

For your information, I have declined Brenner Drives' offer so that I can remain independent and continue to develop drive systems. I declined because I realistically saw that a Kontronics engine cannot be provided with a Hargett signature, since Kontronics is a German manufacturer that neither pays me nor gives me anything wholesale. There is no reason to enter into a non-disclosure agreement and then use my research, money, and motor designs to develop motors exclusively for F3A drives at the base cost of a motor winding on the Kontronics. As I understand them, you can't even get a rotor from them. You have to send them the engine and THEY will replace it, so I don't think you're going to get a raw stack. It doesn't matter, I don't need a non-disclosure agreement or a silly ass forum like the one you are on in Germany to advertise my success, because there is no success. Winding, thermocouple, and 3 bearings will cost you $275.00! at Clugh

A brand new pyro 600 from Germany is 380.00 dollars USD.

Hubert🖤

[Clugh]

Its a solid alternative as far as I'm concerned and its is only 5 grams more than the pyro 600 off the shelf.. But I like the fan better and the bearings with the 5mm shaft but the same bearing od means a bigger ball and more radial load handling. The 40 series machines are 24N8P so they are really great for the high speed gearbox. They have a very clean signal and the highest torque density. We will examine it at the same Kv and leave some simple data log here on the same load. They cost 190.00 dollars


Thank you,
Hubert

[Chxpress]

Hi,
they do not see the contradrive . Double the gear ratio , eliminating counterforces . Easy clean design. Wy not ? And wy not using the available Controler with sensor ?
Or wy not using T-Motor, https://www.premium-modellbau.de/t-m...ticopter-500hz
and motor , https://www.premium-modellbau.de/t-m...or-6s-12s-405g
The other way with FOC controler.

Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

Brenner Drives wrote:

The motor that you custom wound for me would be a significant jump in performance, efficiency, and reliability over Mike's motor, and Bryan would love to offer it as part of a package that he can launch as a new V5 Contra Drive. I think that the motors you have created for both me and Andrew are a great start. I think Bryan and the rest of the pattern community are going to be very happy with those motors. The motor you created for me actually has more power than I can use on the top end. I am running it with Adam Debowski’s D3 ESC, which governs the rpm of the motor like a helicopter. I am currently running his ESC with the rpm limit set to 4500 rpm max for the props, which is why It’s too strong at the top end. What I’m going to do is back off on the rpm limit and develop a throttle curve that takes advantage of the extra power available in your motor to create a setup that pulls the plane through the air at the most constant speed possible.

Brenner Drives schrieb:

Der Motor, den Sie für mich individuell gewickelt haben, wäre ein deutlicher Leistungssprung, Effizienz und Zuverlässigkeit gegenüber Mikes Motor, und Bryan würde ihn gerne als Teil eines Pakets anbieten, das er als neuen V5 Contra Drive auf den Markt bringen kann. Ich denke, dass die Motoren, die Sie für mich und Andrew entwickelt haben, ein großartiger Anfang sind. Ich denke, Bryan und der Rest der Muster-Community werden mit diesen Motoren sehr zufrieden sein. Der Motor, den Sie für mich entwickelt haben, hat tatsächlich mehr Leistung, als ich am oberen Ende nutzen kann. Ich betreibe ihn mit Adam Debowskis D3 ESC, der die Drehzahl des Motors wie bei einem Hubschrauber regelt. Derzeit betreibe ich seinen ESC mit einer Drehzahlbegrenzung von maximal 4500 U/min für die Propeller, weshalb er am oberen Ende zu stark ist. Ich werde die Drehzahlbegrenzung zurücknehmen und eine Gaskurve entwickeln, die die zusätzliche Leistung Ihres Motors nutzt, um ein Setup zu erstellen, das das Flugzeug mit der konstantesten möglichen Geschwindigkeit durch die Luft zieht.

[Clugh]

That is useful empirical information😏 Maybe I can step down to a 3220 or the TAREQ 3215 for a significantly lighter drive.

[Clugh]

Hi,
they do not see the contradrive . Double the gear ratio , eliminating counterforces . Easy clean design. Wy not ? And wy not using the available Controler with sensor ?
Or wy not using T-Motor, https://www.premium-modellbau.de/t-m...ticopter-500hz
and motor , https://www.premium-modellbau.de/t-m...or-6s-12s-405g
The other way with FOC controler.

Happy Amps Christian

Hi Chris,
Yeah yeah...I have been looking at the ARM Atmel based modular drives and probably could put my own motor agnostic SVC FOC logic with the fly ware power stage. If it would support two . I could build you a 400 ampere drive in a very small footprint.

The drives are very interesting but wouldn't compare to the power density my GanFet power stage even remotely. The quick hack might satisfy them. But the super low gate charge voltage and current allows GanFet to switch in the megahertz with a large copper footprint. They cannot beat it. But the proxy war is over and Ralph is going to wind the same thing and run YGE inverter.

Move on....because it seems to me from reading the responses that no one on that forum is going to truthfully test anything after Thomas post anyway and provide the data for the masses. Seems obvious to me 🙄 Playing with the gear reductions in the Lego Technik set is probably more educational for someone like me.. Its the same old **** on the German social media just wurst running their mouth.

Enjoy it because sponsoring a drive cost a millionaire nothing and if your not willing to do that you wont convince Ralph so you both can leave the bull**** alone from here on out and go do something constructive.. I am no longer involved in it, It is a waste of my time. I'm always going in my own direction on how to show the hobbyist things.

I dont have time for the fallacy nor nostalgia and have things to do. I dont need to waste my time inquiring about the gearboxes here.

Thank you Christian.

TTYL
Hubert

[Clugh]

What I want to do now is see if I can out do myself.


Brenner Drives schrieb:

Der Motor, den Sie für mich individuell gewickelt haben, wäre ein deutlicher Leistungssprung, Effizienz und Zuverlässigkeit gegenüber Mikes Motor, und Bryan würde ihn gerne als Teil eines Pakets anbieten, das er als neuen V5 Contra Drive auf den Markt bringen kann. Ich denke, dass die Motoren, die Sie für mich und Andrew entwickelt haben, ein großartiger Anfang sind. Ich denke, Bryan und der Rest der Muster-Community werden mit diesen Motoren sehr zufrieden sein. Der Motor, den Sie für mich entwickelt haben, hat tatsächlich mehr Leistung, als ich am oberen Ende nutzen kann. Ich betreibe ihn mit Adam Debowskis D3 ESC, der die Drehzahl des Motors wie bei einem Hubschrauber regelt. Derzeit betreibe ich seinen ESC mit einer Drehzahlbegrenzung von maximal 4500 U/min für die Propeller, weshalb er am oberen Ende zu stark ist. Ich werde die Drehzahlbegrenzung zurücknehmen und eine Gaskurve entwickeln, die die zusätzliche Leistung Ihres Motors nutzt, um ein Setup zu erstellen, das das Flugzeug mit der konstantesten möglichen Geschwindigkeit durch die Luft zieht.

[Clugh]

From here Ralph Okon (PowerCroco) have a forum it is here: Die "Skorpionklopfer", andere Powercroco‘s und alles was dazu gehört! | RC-Network.de to tell him how you feel. I'm not on the site .

In not going to waste my time transcribing this morons remote responses in Germany when he is right here on this site. I have better thing to do than help the sociopath with all that when its nothing but ignorance anyway. U2 can pass degrees but....

Please no longer mention him here because I really have no reason to he doesn't affect what im doing in any way here. He is not a problem for the "Hubert" and doesn't have the courage to speak here for himself so why bother. he is going to watch everything I do and i dont mind that. Maybe he will learn something and I don't care about that either. he can use it to help his Aryan friends.

Who cares? If he needs to use my name, silence, and a Borat avatar to do so. What do you expect?

Dont answer. Just........
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Enjoy the work I do here.
Hubert

[Clugh]

Hi,
Just browsing through some ideas for aviation propulsion.

[Clugh]

HK 50 size flange on the 30mm bolt circle for a superchief but I was thinking for a motor this size you only need a 2-1 planetary however here are the pinion for 6 and 8 millimeter shafts for the 4 to 1 planetary. When i get the gearbox ill draw a cooling ring. I should buy a Troy ounce of pure sterling silver then cast a bar and turn it. But aluminum or copper would do. Copper would make braising the copper plumbing in easy but maybe you want aluminum plumbing. A Maxon P32 or 42 planetary has all ratios available with a 5mm pinion. If you want 6.7-1 on the 8mm shaft then you can get an 8mm input shaft that is 127mm long ( 5 inches). You would replace the outrunners 8mm shaft with it. Otherwise you can get 8mm shafts stepped down to 5mm. This is why a tool post grinder for a lathe is very handy. I'm going to order the pinions for the super chief today. Grind or buy 12 and 10 mm shafts down to 8mm if that is what you need.



Thank you for your time and patience,
Hubert