Alternative motor windings and drive schemes

[Clugh]

Ha! I know that's real!!!!
I guess he better hitch a ride with you then........




Thanks.....
Hubert

[Clugh]

Es ist mir egal, was jeder von Ihnen tut, aber Sie müssen inzwischen wissen, dass Sie mit Trugschlüssen hier nicht weiterkommen.

[Clugh]

BTW I cant fully agree with your statement. The poles and teeth don't have to be close for good performance or Gerlings 24N10P wouldn't work so well. It's results are very clean. Even if that were the case there is still a 18N20P Hybrid.. 🙊 When it is only a difference of 1 you get UMP like the 9 slot 10 pole. It has a high winding factor but you called it egg power as I remember.

[Clugh]

18N20P

[Clugh]

[Clugh]

18N20P Pentagon 5 phase winding 👀

[Clugh]

The 12N8P field excited flux switch can generate a lot of torque.

[Clugh]

HI Ralph.

U camp here...

Anyway I have a harsh time believing you ran the 20 pole yet it has no kv resistance measurements or data log anywhere. I'm not In crocoword so the answer " gave the expected result mean zero . See my videos of a running engine? Yes the hobbyist can be sure I'm not just at a keyboard telling them bs.

Wat were the motor contants Ralph. U experts show the forum a motors and never complete or run the motor providing data.

You all don't lead in honest and open disclosure that's for sure.

does the motor run? Where is the data?

[Clugh]

Deadpool runs his mouth then hits the ejector seat when ttz time for show and tell.

[Clugh]

I understand that you did not bring it . But that doesn't matter for a good discussion. It may work well so why not make the thread more interesting showing it. The xnova 24n8p works really well with high efficiency.

BTW I i just caught a used P800 in a swap meet for a good price. I plan to wind it a big wire hybrid. I also have two 4025's hkIII and a never used in a model DD 4035 HKIII Kit built SL in 15AWG someone can fly. I can slide some slot wedges in it and it should be a really good motor.

I'll spin it All up so the boys can have a look at a log and we can run it through Holle's calculator. This is how you generate real interest not vague proprietary observations...

Thanks for your time and patience,
Hubert

[Clugh]

Have fun with the iron and copper scrapbox. You have a nice one to play with. Yes you are buzy winding for a profit and I get that. But it's your craft . If the discussion leads to a higher quality of work or understanding itz much more valuable than Deadpool money.

You should wind the hk5 4035. The pilots will like 8.8kW fir 482 grams all day. Too bad they stopped making kits.


Btw...In motor news....
It's been reported to me by at least one heli pilot that a smaller pyro had much more balls than a larger combove motor in his vehicle . He is considering the switch and thinks the combove has gone into demag. If I recieve it we will see.



Umm sounds to me if you buy the big boy combove, still over 600.00 USD maybe more now, a P1000 equivalent is not what you will get.....

They'll end up rolling tariffs back. That s hit... rocked the stock market yesterday....already occurring. 😂

Danke,
Hubert

[Clugh]

Hi Ralph,
The other thing you fail to realize about the wide teeth leaving room for wire is it is a single layer machine, so you make the adjacent pole thin which leaves plenty of room for the coil on tooth. The 41 Lehner's are single layers. He understands what im getting at about its odd quadrature axis but he wont report itz inductance. He wont report anything relevant you might make real calculations from.

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[Clugh]

BTW I got the P800. Its on the way and should make someone a very powerful motor. I scored it for 200 dollars. An excellent price in todays market of quality motors.

i got it off helifreaks.

Hubert

[Clugh]

So we've come full circle since then
I'm taking the pilots back from the haters.....

TTYL
Hubert

[Clugh]

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[Clugh]

Good morning Dr Okon,

You are here early!

I would love to show you some waveforms from the 12N10P hybrid. But I need some from that 12 slot 20 pole... We need something for something. I cant let you have it for nothing.

The P800 wont be here till Monday.

Besides if you want to talk to me do it directly. We're men.

There was also nothing to see there......except that someone cannot use auto wire strippers. They will never perform surgery on me....

Thanks again
Hubert

[Clugh]

You have the scribes so you can wind it you see it runs and the Io for a 1072Kv at 20 degrees timing dd. I'm not going to build a 20 pole rotor at this time to try it because there are so many other options of improvement for 12N10 and 14P. If the 20 pole can work with a lapped winding. You can glue the rhombic winding to the outside of a toroidal iron core and just go slot less.

I do plan to wind some light Neu out runners as they have a very clean signal and are 1 to 1 hp to torque. The 46 series and 65 series are more than enough for speed flight. They are already hi pole hi torque slow runners. An uneven .98 turns ratio on a 22 pole eliminates the low order harmonics. I dual invert these with APD and be ready for whatever.

What I need is real props for them.

if you want these motors with parts all sourced in the USA that is possible. All you have to do is request that. The custom wind voltage range is 6 volts to 1200 volts. The saturation point for a 24N22P 4638 at 6 volts is 1000 amperes.

[Clugh]

[Clugh]

That high pole count theory is covered already.

[Clugh]

Dual invert the single layer. you see the winding factor is 99.1% My scrap box is a bit different.....




Have a good day
Hubert