Alternative motor windings and drive schemes

[Clugh]

Hi,
they are all no real sin , that s not the question and i am not looking for a saw drive , i have it . I want to look how good is tje foc from t-motor and what can it offer . All times best is the sensor driven motor , no quest as you can run it at loads the other will never reach. And it is so essy to do. I am wondering wy no one used it .

Happy Amps Christian

Well okay then we know the speeders are looking for max speed and power at the heaviest loads. A sensored motor is fine but based on the fact that it will still commutate my not lead to much because the magnets are still losing energy in the scenario and will make less and less torque. Its going to burn up anyway. The Tmotor drive isnt a sensored drive anyway , and neither of those motors are either. The castle becomes senseless and open loop at WOT no matter what . Are you aware of all these things?

And it should be a sin that people are mismatching motors to drives. versus optimizing for one or the other which is what I'm doing as a winder/tuner My focus is to offer the right thing for the application and optimize it in any way possible.

Hubert

[Clugh]

If you want a dedicated sensored closed loop drive you need to look at the logic array based motor control IC from Motorola I showed you but there is a problem....

Its a six step drive.....

[Clugh]

Theres even more to consider with the sensor type if the hall sensors are embedded in the iron or in the slots because they will fail at a certain temperature point as well. Or you have to mount them to your motor externally with a trigger wheel in the right location for that to work. No one has shown that yet. But it isnt going to work with the castle the way you might have thought. That closed loop operation is only for easy starting and precision in low speed low throttle application like crawlers. It is a surface inverter truly that opens to sensorless open loop @ >90% throttle.

Thank you,
Hubert

[Clugh]

People should be happy if there is a winding that creates the flat top as you have been shown for a six step drive. That is the very point of why you would do it to maximizew current delivery and eliminate ripple. You can see from up close the sin that none of the current windings or topologies in the external rotor definitively do that. Thus the need for a pure BLDC system and that is what I'm am going after. It definitely is no sin.

For fun post the bemf of the 70 series Lehner with the different magnet system. I bet its not the same! Also dont drive the motor with a drill drive it to operational rpms. Where they actually demand of the high pole count. Theres really nothing to see under 500 hz drive a kilo or maybe 2 for a small drone motor. 😀

[Chxpress]

And what s new ? Nothing , i told you all that since years . We worke together with Prof. Gerling . and we have all this history done.

Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

And what s new ? Nothing , i told you all that since years . We worke together with Prof. Gerling . and we have all this history done.

Happy Amps Christian

Well considering all that has been said and posted that is quite contradictory because I don't know what is new with Dr Gerling because I don't see a single hybrid winding or his stator cut on the hobby forum there except from me. I'm just telling you the idea of closed loop and sinus operation isn't ideal for the speeder. The new windings don't create that and that the castle opens to sensorless drive at 90% throttle or better . I beg to differ no one told me all that years ago or I wouldn't have to post it here there would be no debate and we'd be in agreement. I leaned all this through my own research and development and formal education from years ago. That's chronicled here directly. I have my own direct connections to Dr Gerling and Gurakuq as you know who have also seen my cut. And again the 12N10P wye to delta hybrid winding is not his creation.

The history is done that's why its the past because there is not a single complete power system in hobby that utilizes the full potential of a six step drive in 2025.

Thank You
Hubert

[Clugh]

Anyone that has wound a 12N10P hybrid and put it on their scope from years ago will know a sinus is not what they will see. If is a 10 pole machine and Gerlings cut attenuates the 2 pole sub harmonic to boost the 5th working why would anyone expect to see a sinus which is best defined by 2 pole machines. The12N10P wye to delta winding fully attenuates the 2 pole and also boost the 5th and the 7th, 17th and 19th harmonic that certainly isn't going to create a sinus. The 19th harmonic at 2 kilo is 38khz the 5th is 10khz. Thats a huge difference in switching versus a 2 pole.

Dr Gerlings Flussperren is a single layer 12 slot 14 pole machine. Since when does it create a sinus?

[Clugh]

Also please remember if it is nothing new here there is nothing to see here for all the visitors.

Please advise them and everyone accordingly. I don't at all mind it If they truly feel they have a firm grip on the understanding and of what I am doing here in America.

If you dont want to see the winding on the scope or take it from me you certainly do not have to. So we can end it right here. I don't have to post the empirical data or the completed windings. Its really up to you all.... I can keep it all to myself and for myself. I don't care about being the resident village idiot. Certainly those that have completed the hybrid winding could advise them better.5 years with nothing and asking me for the winding instructions certainly doesn't suggest any knowing from direct experience years ago. They could have suggested it years ago versus a conventional wye or delta winding they have been stuck on for 20 years.

Thank you
Hubert

[Clugh]

Ich habe Ihre E-Mail erhalten und möchte Ihnen nur sagen, dass es absolut nichts mit dem zu tun hat, was ich hier poste, und dass es nicht mein Problem ist. Wenn Sie alle keinen Frieden finden, ist das auch Ihr Problem, aber niemand wird mich wegen Forumfehlern angreifen. Ich bin an nichts beteiligt, was in Deutschland vor sich geht, das sind Ihre Leute, und das Forum ist ausschließlich für Sie!

Ich bin gut informiert darüber, was in Huberts Wickelprogramm vor sich geht und warum Hubert tut, was er tut. Es ist mir egal, was sie tun, und es liegt in ihrer Freizeit, ob sie es befolgen oder nicht.

[Clugh]

As for the question of what has already been done in the past and whats new with sensored control that can't be right because you brought the Castle inverter at my que and said you would connect the Hall sensors to the 41 series and never did it. I have asked you several times to do so and what you all there on german social media have been buzy in doing is saying things like "nothings new" "nothings better" or asking for validation of degrees which none of the askers can produce themselves. Then it still will not work any better at the heaviest load as has been posted because of it being sensored because it wont be sensored a WOT which is full power. The castle is also not a sinus or FOC inverter so if people knew their would be no reason to try it and expect as much. All that other stuff doesn't matter at all.

[Clugh]

BTW the iron filing are here so I can cast the 50mm flussperren or UETW cuts now.

Thanks for your time and patience,
Hubert

[Chxpress]

Hi Hubert,
And how much experience do you have with distributed winding on various sensorless electronic motor controllers? me the phases is death, syncloss comes earlier etc.
we have some expirience with the qfsm mix phase motor design . This was good on the 3phase houshold system but with sensorless esc . Have fun

Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

Hi Hubert,
And how much experience do you have with distributed winding on various sensorless electronic motor controllers? me the phases is death, syncloss comes earlier etc.
we have some expirience with the qfsm mix phase motor design . This was good on the 3phase household system but with sensorless esc . Have fun

Happy Amps Christian

Enough to know that this hybrid winding no one has completed there is not a distributed wind nor is the 41 series Lehner or scorpion which are all typical FSCW machines with higher harmonic content than a 2 pole distributed winding as the scope here and there TODAY along with science have already shown us. Whatever you learned there or allude to about distributed windings would not change what is happening with the diagnostic here and abroad with concentrated winds. The Doctors we follow like Dr. Gerling that have nothing to prove on a forum have plenty more experience than one man including myself and you. The diagnostics, ,mathematics and scope as well as 70 universities scopes of 1000s of genius MEN and women with vast experience all over the world agrees with them too not just Munich. I'm having plenty of fun worrying about my own business but if you want to sell the castle drive back to me you can because notthing you have done in the past or have said here makes it sensored closed loop drive at wot my guy. If you have a closed loop that does at the power levels they demand that and somehow it makes the magnets not get hot anyway with wide open slots from that distributed winding experience you should have run it with your engine and not buy the castle. To argue about experience with it makes no sense because there is still no hall sense mounted on the outrunner. Or proof there from history that it will run better than the sensorless set up they run already.

This is all common sense.. you don't need any 50 year experience for this. You can learn it in a day. The hall sensor would not make their magnets not fail from exposure to the harmonics of the six step concentrated wind.. What vast experience has done is segmented its motor magnets about 20 times so evidently they are just being typical and ignorant acting like a speeder hobbyist with zero experience right now.

And to answer your question I have about 40 years experience dealing with bi polar sinus drives

You can always have fun until someone tries to ruin it with fallacy because they get mad at the truth Christian.

The bottom line is the harmonics form the wave form so if certain harmonics are or aren't present the waveform can or cant be. Enough experience with waveforms and how they are created should tell you that.

Thank you,
Hubert

[Clugh]

The qsfm was a single phase transversal flux machine designed to run single phase 50/60 hertz thats what has difficulty in 3 phase. The PMFSM is different and can run 3 phase sensorless. Thats already being done in industry with great success.

[Clugh]

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[Chxpress]

Hi Hubert,

where can we see the controller you have build and where can people buy it?
Where can we read about your motor controllers and their use in model making and industry? Everything else is fake talk. I built and tested the first sensorless controllers in model making with electronics friends and my friend Hans Lehner manufactured the first sensorless controllers in model making and sold them worldwide. We don't see any Hubert Harget products, where are they?
The QFSM was published as a doctoral thesis as a 3-phase tresverse flow motor by a doctoral student under Prof. Mainz at the University of Braunschweig. RC Line has been using it in model making since 2006. It wasn't successful.
Where were you then?

Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

Hi Hubert,

where can we see the controller you have build and where can people buy it?
Where can we read about your motor controllers and their use in model making and industry? Everything else is fake talk. I built and tested the first sensorless controllers in model making with electronics friends and my friend Hans Lehner manufactured the first sensorless controllers in model making and sold them worldwide. We don't see any Hubert Harget products, where are they?
The QFSM was published as a doctoral thesis as a 3-phase tresverse flow motor by a doctoral student under Prof. Mainz at the University of Braunschweig. RC Line has been using it in model making since 2006. It wasn't successful.
Where were you then?

Happy Amps Christian

That's Cap Op! 🖕

Thank you for proving my point. I wouldn't have explain any of that to you. I have verifiable degrees in engineering and manufacturing and a well paying job currently in the field of electrical engineering and have for the last 20 years so i really dont need to make toys for hobby. That doesn't change the wave forms or how the winds work. The sensorless controls are right here from those who can build it such as myself . i dont need stefan mertz to build me a ESC ive done many myseld starting with brushed dc... thats why all the manufacturing equipment to do so is here in the house I don't see any products labeled Christian Lucas but that isn't the point. because you still haven't wound the 12N10P hybrid and know what the wave form looks like apparently.

Fallacy wont change anything that's been posted and just makes you look bad because I'm technically I'm right and do not purchase any product you make. The QFSM doesn't change anything about the wave forms of the hobby machines. Its totally irrelevant. fallacy as i said is what you all do when you are wrong about something. You say a person is brilliant and then say they are dumb if they do nmot agree with you. The problem is about the subject matter you are still wrong. You said building the controller was so difficult but there are three papers that explain the sensor less designs.

Hanz Lehner and HIS product isn't the problem you cant get me to engage in the ignorance because the wind or single layer still doesn't not produce a true sinus as you ave been shown. Youd think since there is nothing here you wouldn't be as great and as busy as you should be.

Have a good day....buddy hopefully someone else will talk to you about your problems I cannot.

How do you know i don't already have a device on the market? The smartest salesmen wouldn't tell you anything .

God bless you.
Hubert .

[Clugh]

Nun, Ralph, ich denke, Ihr Standpunkt ist bewiesen. Ich habe nichts anderes getan, als ihm die Wahrheit zu zeigen, und er hat angefangen. Sie haben kein Wort gesagt, als ich wieder Frieden vorgeschlagen habe, und das Erste, was er getan hat, war, die „Truppe“ zu erwähnen. Ich habe mein Oszilloskop sicherlich nicht dazu gebracht, zu lesen, was es getan hat, also reicht mir das. Ich denke, ich mache eine Pause vom Posten. Ich schicke Ihnen Wellenformen aus der Hybridarbeit per PN und Sie können feststellen, ob Sie sie gebrauchen können. Der Mann ist verrückt. Sie haben Recht. Er hat mir gerade eine E-Mail geschickt, dass er nie Ihr Freund war. Jetzt sehen Sie, was er hier mit mir macht, weil ich mit dem, was ich ihm sage, recht habe und keinen Trugschluss verwendet habe, um dies zu tun. Ich möchte nicht einmal, dass mein Moderator belästigt wird, also werde ich es lassen, damit das Forum hier sehen kann, was er mit meinem Thread macht, um ihnen zu helfen, den Trugschluss zu verstehen. Intelligente Leute können das technische Argument, das ich ihm angeboten habe, nicht ignorieren. Die Regression oder der Ausrutscher ist bedauerlich.

[Clugh]

The first successful direct current esc i built for myself was over 30 years ago. Brushed dc was for 6-10 cells nicad it had a BEC and a switching rate of 1.5 khz the on resistance was .003 ohms. and had a hard and soft brake option. The hand built circuit board was etched from copper clad with acid using a laser jet mirror template for the acid mask. International rectifier IRL3803N's were the mosfets used The ancient device is picte here with the IC and A few components missing and templates for 100s more ? Do you want one today? See this is nonsense from an ignorant old ass man in Germany with nothing to do.. but get mad and throw epithet like POCBOY when you don't agree with him and show him the facts diagnostically with the exact motors in question on his own equipment. Evil will die off soon enough. I can out last him and his evil. Lord willing I pray to God to hurry and make the world a better place.. those kinds of issues are definitely not my battle. Mortal man cannot defeat a blue eyed devil.

The direct current speed control was based off a LM339 quad voltage comparator IC. If you need a schematic and a working explanation just ask if you want a working copy send me 100 dollars. i was building them for myself when others were buying Tekin. 😶

U are simply ignorant to the facts because you don't really know me cap. As I currently own the most modern equipment to manufacture speed controls today in this house but the hall sensors have not made it on the out runner yet.. I bet I can do that in 5 min with my dumb self

[Clugh]

I have had a $2,500.00 PCB mill for building high quality esc's and an IR flow oven for years to do surface mount devices now which is much too valuable to waste its time with ignorance because I'm formally trained with verifiable paperwork, certifications degrees and diplomas to program setup and operate every bit of it on top on and electrical engineering degree so somebody has truly flew over the cuu cuu nest raising hell with fallacy like they do at their aryan home where they are supposed to be smarter than every body because they cannot accept the motor doesn't make a true sinus and neither do the winds and have been shown here diagnostically. That's crazy . Talking about merry Christmas to you and your family my friend in personal email..

That **** went in one ear and out the other

Like I said I don't need a forum rep to validate me so make a complete fool of yourself on the social media. I don't care about it.



This is a much more sophisticated esc than than the FOC bubble gum you brought from T motor and i can build it right here any time. You got some cash for the order ive already provided ya big mouth with a bill or materials for the drive? Its sensorless and can run PMFSM is space vector controlled smarty... all the FW version and associated software can be found at zubax robotics who I work with. They asked me to come on board formally as a hardware engineer but I couldn't leave the US like talking about it.

Don't have stroke over wave forms 101....



U funny trying fallacy with me... I service half million dollar industrial grinders and robots that manufacture SiC wafer. Mercedez Benz, Daimler Trucks and Amazon robotics where I was the self automated robotics lead of the entire plant are all on my resume. But you wont be wasting my time proving a thing to you because its none of ya damn business quite frankly and it wont make the waveform a sinus. you dont have to accept the truth and can act just like an idiot at your free wil on social media behind a pc and keyboard. i do not care. it doesn't take a man and is their legacy.

I don't have any childish men in my circle and refuse to leave a legacy like that back n forth with internet clowns so i sleep well at night.

Thank you
Hubert