Alternative motor windings and drive schemes

[Clugh]

A Christian Lucas Concept.

[Clugh]

Christian you could print the small displacement pump in Nylon/cf gears and it would probably work. An internal gear ring seems feasible with 3DP. I was under the impression the core was made up of 12 coiled c sections for SPS return. You could use passive ferrofluid design in a W.E.L.C. setup. with a Peltier heat sink inline.

Its a shame my man on the GSM always talking about inverters can't fix the drive himself if YGE wont....

Time for a smart inverter....or a smarter consumer

TTYS
Hubert

[Clugh]

Hallo Chris,
ich habe die Motoren verwechselt. Es wären nur sechs „C“-Halbringspulen für PLC vorhanden, also kann es nicht dieser Motor sein. Dieser hat einen großen Innendurchmesser.

Tut mir leid

[Chxpress]

Hi Hubert,
The fact that the planes get into the synclos so early is due to their incorrect sheet metal cutting. The cowards didn't even load the Lehner with the YGE controller up to its synclos. With other controllers you don't have the problem at all. In the attached pictures are a few versions that I build for my applications. They are considerably lighter and have flux-increasing magnet systems, which I won't show in more detail here. The parts are available for sufficient engine versions. As you know, I haven't had much time this year. We also founded the spin-off company Hyzon in the USA from Horizon Fuel Cell, which is now starting to produce 200 KW fuel cells there. The stacks are significantly smaller and more power dense than those of the competitors. Next up is 1 megawatt fuel cell for aviation. The 1 megawatt machines are already running on the test benches, which is very time-consuming for aviation applications.

Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

"Hallo,

prinzipiell ist die Syncloss Protection eine tolle Sache. Bei mir quieckt es glücklicherwiese selten, einen Regler habe ich damit aber noch nicht kaputt bekommen. Ich denke das spielt auch immer eine Rolle wie weit der Antrieb da vom "erlaubten" Maxwert betrieben wird. Mit anderen Worten: ich finde das Feature gut, fände es aber auch nicht verkehrt, wenn dieser ganze neue Schnickschnack in einem Expertenmodus abschaltbar wäre. Von mir aus auch erst, wenn man vom heino die Freigabe dafür bekommt.
Ich habe nachwievor noch 4 Stück YGE320HV, die ich hüte wie mein Augapfel.
Schade dass der gepimpte Regler beim Ralph jetzt die Grätsche gemacht hat. Hoffentlich bekommt der Heino den wieder hin. Auf Ralphs "Antriebs-Dienste" kann ich nicht verzichten."

Gruß Kai


Hi Chris,
Das einzig Besondere sind Markus-Flugzeuge. Diese Jungs und Ralph können nicht so gut sein, weil sie mehr Geschwindigkeit und Leistung von einem Käufer erwarten, der die langsamste Verarbeitung und den langsamsten elektrischen Widerstand seiner Klasse hat. Wie genial oder handwerklich ist das denn? Er hält tatsächlich an den veralteten Steinen fest, als wären sie etwas Besonderes, wenn das Endspiel für sie mit Ralphs Motoren klar ist.


Wie viele Beispiele brauchen sie, um die Realität zu erkennen

YT
Hubert

[Chxpress]

Hi Hubert,
I don't care what kind of control problems they have. They have shown no progress for years. You're making quantum leaps compared to the encapsulated members of the lonesome group. I thought a few more things about the lightweight engine. First of all, the short version with 5 turns that only has to turn up to 40,000 rpm. For the ring bearings, I laser sintered the Albert matching bronze ball holder as we used in the flywheel storage. We specially used the same material mixture, which is extremely robust and holds the ceramic balls cleanly. The first version is the one with floating, one-sided storage. If there is time, I will make the stator receiving tube with cooling honeycombs inside like the MIT motor, which almost achieves the cooling performance of a liquid cooling system with air. I showed the inner rotor stator and rotor parts that are for the permanent magnet-free motor. Electrical field excitation. The German companies Mahle and Volabo (who produce the ISCAD motor) have joined forces and are developing the motor even further. BMW also uses electrically excited magnet systems in their electric cars. Next an electrically excited Halbach system. What's new from your tuning front?

Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

Hi Hubert,
I don't care what kind of control problems they have. They have shown no progress for years. You're making quantum leaps compared to the encapsulated members of the lonesome group. I thought a few more things about the lightweight engine. First of all, the short version with 5 turns that only has to turn up to 40,000 rpm. For the ring bearings, I laser sintered the Albert matching bronze ball holder as we used in the flywheel storage. We specially used the same material mixture, which is extremely robust and holds the ceramic balls cleanly. The first version is the one with floating, one-sided storage. If there is time, I will make the stator receiving tube with cooling honeycombs inside like the MIT motor, which almost achieves the cooling performance of a liquid cooling system with air. I showed the inner rotor stator and rotor parts that are for the permanent magnet-free motor. Electrical field excitation. The German companies Mahle and Volabo (who produce the ISCAD motor) have joined forces and are developing the motor even further. BMW also uses electrically excited magnet systems in their electric cars. Next an electrically excited Halbach system. What's new from your tuning front?

Happy Amps Christian

Hi this is really ingenious what you have..

I've been really busy with the parents so I haven't gotten much done in a few weeks, but today Ill wind some F3A motors . One for AJ and two other 14 pole machines. For the new year ill get the flussperren core and show antiquity how it is done. The other issue is a torque cradle for mechanical capture. I dont want to excite myself with huge consumption numbers and low torque production that tells me the motor is nothing but a reactive power queen.

Ill show you the c core half toroid SPS machine I need a few questions answeres . Ill PM....
I have also told you that the dc excited 12N10P flux switch was very interesting . If you are doing what you are doing there. I definitely need to build one. I don't wanna be out of date like the goof troupe's cutting edge developments with inverters still sporting 3 pin fets and turnigy brains from hobby king.... .

[Clugh]

Ein trauriger Kunde bleibt bei Croco World und hat deshalb die Marke des Pyro 1000 nicht erreicht. Es ist einfach keine bessere Maschine und hat weniger Eisen in der Spule. Es wiegt auch viel mehr als der Pyro.

Kai schickt seine allgemeinen Opfergaben nach Jonestown.



TTYL
Hubert

[Clugh]

First I plan to print a few HTPLA end plates. Let see how that goes this morning.

Thanks for your time and patience
Hubert

[Clugh]

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HI Ralph....what's cooking?

Grilled Knocker..... that first taste at the 6:19 mark is classic. This is incredible you really have to check it out to believe it.

Ich schätze, dass der veraltete 400 yge, der ein 320er mit Sammelschienen und immer noch unzureichender Kapazität ist, in puncto Preis, Qualität oder Funktionen nicht halb so gut ist wie der Wechselrichter-APD.


It looks to be very lean and nutritious Chris....



Have a good day....
Hubert

[Chxpress]

Hi,
yes they do it right. I have this steaker , easy to burn a powercroco no esc needed.
You think about this in the pic ? right. likemthe expanded version of the ring Transversalflux motor with separate coils.

Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

Hi,
yes they do it right. I have this steaker , easy to burn a powercroco no esc needed.
You think about this in the pic ? right. likemthe expanded version of the ring Transversalflux motor with separate coils.

Happy Amps Christian

Ha Ha boy you crazy.. a jonestown grill

But yes!

Thats the motor I want to print first then make the cores we talked about with filings out of a vacuum packed mold. A hydrogen anneal would be really a nice touch.

The ferritic ductile iron on EDM could also make very nice solid cores.

[Clugh]

Sie haben sich also für das Halbach-Array entschieden? Sind mit diesem Design auch andere Rotoren möglich? Die Spule muss also nicht den gesamten C-Kern abdecken? Ich frage, weil ich einen Platz oder eine Möglichkeit brauche, sie mechanisch zu verankern, da es sich um S-P-S-Spulen handelt. Wenn die Spule die gesamte Spule abdeckt, ist das ein Problem, es sei denn, sie ist in einem Ring montiert, der den Ring in den Luftspalt legt. Ich weiß, dass das möglich ist, weil ich mich an Ihren Test mit externen Spulen im inneren Rotor auf einem Kohlefaserrohr erinnere.


Thank you,
Hubert

[Clugh]

Ich glaube, ich verstehe die Grundidee, die Sie vermitteln.

[Chxpress]

Hi Hubert,
Yes, the Jamestown Grill came to mind as soon as you wrote it. 😂 The heat comes from above and the fat does not drip into the fire but down into the bowl. Steaks are grilled super quickly and the fat becomes crispy thanks to the very high heat and from rear to medium depending on how you want it.

The motor has two directions in which the magnetic flux is conducted. In the C stator parts it runs axially and in the respective Halbach parts it runs radially as with normal radial field motors. It doesn't have to be a Halbach system, it can also be done with normal surface magnetic strips that are glued into the iron pipe. The machine is getting longer and, since there are only 6 stator teeth, it has plenty of winding space to accommodate a lot of copper. The stator tooth, which is normally located between the other stator teeth, has been moved axially in the motor. The coil sides that are in the middle of the C-parts are involved in the magnetic field and not just useless coil sides that only increase the ohmic resistance. You can also add an additional ring winding in the middle, which then works like a transverse flux motor. The blue line shows the flow between the axial submachines. Almost half of the C-parts marked in yellow are in the CFRP center tube and can be easily glued and fastened there. The two partial Halbach magnet systems are glued into the outer CFRP tube. As already written, it can also be an iron pipe with magnetic strips like in conventional engines.

Happy Amps Christian

[Chxpress]

Hi Hubert,
On my speed motor I inserted the coil sides into thermally conductive stator end disks so that they are directly connected using a highly thermally conductive adhesive. In the picture the medium blue fields. From there, the heat is passed on to the stator receiving tube, which is lined with cooling vanes or honeycombs on the inside. The bright blue cooling air flows through the cooling honeycombs and cools the windings very effectively. Both coil sides are inserted into thermally conductive graphite discs. These do not couple in at the low frequencies of the stator coils and the magnetic fields of the permanent magnets and therefore do not heat up extra. This makes the engine very light and also very compact if you want it to be.

Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

Hi Hubert,
Yes, the Jamestown Grill came to mind as soon as you wrote it. 😂 The heat comes from above and the fat does not drip into the fire but down into the bowl. Steaks are grilled super quickly and the fat becomes crispy thanks to the very high heat and from rear to medium depending on how you want it.

The motor has two directions in which the magnetic flux is conducted. In the C stator parts it runs axially and in the respective Halbach parts it runs radially as with normal radial field motors. It doesn't have to be a Halbach system, it can also be done with normal surface magnetic strips that are glued into the iron pipe. The machine is getting longer and, since there are only 6 stator teeth, it has plenty of winding space to accommodate a lot of copper. The stator tooth, which is normally located between the other stator teeth, has been moved axially in the motor. The coil sides that are in the middle of the C-parts are involved in the magnetic field and not just useless coil sides that only increase the ohmic resistance. You can also add an additional ring winding in the middle, which then works like a transverse flux motor. The blue line shows the flow between the axial submachines. Almost half of the C-parts marked in yellow are in the CFRP center tube and can be easily glued and fastened there. The two partial Halbach magnet systems are glued into the outer CFRP tube. As already written, it can also be an iron pipe with magnetic strips like in conventional engines.

Happy Amps Christian

Ich finde die Informationen, die Sie hier geteilt haben, unglaublich. Ich glaube, ich kann es schaffen. Ich verspreche, es mit echter Anstrengung und ohne Ausreden zu versuchen. Es wird Spaß machen, es zu bauen und zu testen. Der Industriedrucker wird es schaffen, es hochhitzebeständig, leicht und stabil zu machen.

Die Fliege bleibt an der Wand und schaut zu, bis sie auf Crocoworld landet.

Thank you,
Hubert

[Clugh]

Hallo Chris,
Guten Morgen aus den USA

Ich habe eine Frage, die Ralph nicht beantworten kann, da er weder einen Abschluss noch eine Ausbildung als Ingenieur hat und noch nie in der Industrie gearbeitet hat.



Soll ich versuchen, das ziemlich etablierte Verhältnis von 70 % zwischen den Magneten und den Statorpolen beizubehalten, oder muss ich wirklich experimentieren oder Simulationen durchführen, um eine Entscheidung über die tatsächlichen Abmessungen zu treffen?

GaNFet a long ways from a D2paK 220 3 pin fet. found in a YGE. There only about 30 years old.

Do the faithful kool aid consumers in crocoworld see all the copper or understand how low the gate charge currents are in these devices and what that does for their inverter design?

Hell no! and still do not know how PWM settings can affect drive of a low induction machine.

Thank you
Hubert

[Clugh]

They dont know how easy it is to incorporate the new with old chip technology. like the logic based motor control IC from Motorola. An "expert" would know a little more about inverter design and could build his own. I did it 20 years ago.

An MC33035 is logic based so there is no FW or software to know or modify. You build it and it goes based of truth tables that wont change no matter who you are.

Its a six step drive that will commutate fast since its logic based. This chip is nearly as old as I am. 53

The goof troop doesn't know anything but what the amateur on fire tells them..

I know he knows zero about digital logic, Boolean Algebra, Karnaugh maps or how to reduce a logic circuit to its simplest form.

PC is a talkative rookie. Man please id give him 10 candle and he couldn't hold a single one near me.....



Hubert

[Chxpress]

Hi Hubert,
no Not retained. There is a formula for maximum performance. I'll see if I can find them over the weekend. But what comes out is the following: In the rotor, the magnets to distance have a ratio of 67%-70% magnet width and 33%to 30% distance. For the stator, the ratio of stator tooth width to distance is exactly 50%/50%, i.e. half half. You can calculate that exactly. So you don't need to worry about it any further. It's almost like the engine at the top of the page. As you can see, I showed the idiots the most optimal engine years ago and they didn't understand it. They always made fun of my crayon drawing. You have made a fool of yourself. Nobody asked the crucial question about the optimal conditions. They never came up with the idea. As you can see, you are far above them. Congratulations, it is actually one of the most crucial questions if you want to achieve the highest performance density.

Yes, such a 6-phase controller is no problem at all with the available ICs. I also started with the Micro Linear IC for sensorless controllers. There was a ready-made developer board from the company, so everything could be optimally adapted to the engines used. The Motorola IC is great. Back then I almost used an IC that only used a Hall probe and was therefore very easy to position. For example, we did exactly the same with the 400 KW motor. Never had a problem with Synclos. I'm now ordering another Castle XLX2 controller with 1717 1650 rpm/kv to play with.

Happy Amps Christian