Official Freewing B-2 Spirit Bomber 86" Twin 70mm EDF Jet

[Naveda08]

No, you can use the stock gyro as-is.
Everything is pre-programmed. No need for the program card.

I am wondering why you would pull out the stock gyro and replace it with one of your own.

The Atti lock and Trainer modes that come on it preprogrammed are not what I would use. I prefer Self level, normal and off as my modes which is what I normally fly with and works well for me. These modes are available on the E52 but for some reason they picked Atti lock which is useless for this model. I understand them choosing Trainer mode to compete with SAFE but not Atti lock

[xviper]

Why do you feel the need to change the program it comes with? If it flies well, why not just leave it alone and be happy? If it were me, I'd start messing with it and change something resulting is a poor flying plane or a crash. Others might just then blame Freewing for putting out a bad product.

It's somewhat reminiscent of the FMS planes that came with the Reflex gyro already installed and programmed. Someone at my field bought a second hand plane from a guy who "played" with the programming. His very first flight, he almost lost it. It was almost uncontrollable. Yanked the thing out and will never trust those things again - blamed FMS for a terrible product.

[Evan D]

Not saying that at all. I comes programed. If you want to take it out and put it in another plane then you may need to reprogram it but in this plane you're good.

Just because another gyro can be programed without a "card" doesn't mean others can. While I find Johns observation that it looks similar to the HE, that really doesn't mean they are in function. Maybe James can add some info as to function and when the programmer will be available. I'm sure those with the PJ are also wondering (some markets are including the E52 in it).

So forced to buy the program card is what you are saying without saying it? it be super convenient if they offered the software like HobbyEagle does, might just have to pull the E52 and throw in one of the A3S3s i got laying around.

[xviper]

The Atti lock and Trainer modes that come on it preprogrammed are not what I would use. I prefer Self level, normal and off as my modes which is what I normally fly with and works well for me. These modes are available on the E52 but for some reason they picked Atti lock which is useless for this model. I understand them choosing Trainer mode to compete with SAFE but not Atti lock

Then don't use it. I believe it's already been said, if you don't hook up the "mode" to a switch, it just defaults to the basic gyro.

[Naveda08]

Why do you feel the need to change the program it comes with? If it flies well, why not just leave it alone and be happy? If it were me, I'd start messing with it and change something resulting is a poor flying plane or a crash. Others might just then blame Freewing for putting out a bad product.

It's somewhat reminiscent of the FMS planes that came with the Reflex gyro already installed and programmed. Someone at my field bought a second hand plane from a guy who "played" with the programming. His very first flight, he almost lost it. It was almost uncontrollable. Yanked the thing out and will never trust those things again - blamed FMS for a terrible product.

Because the preprogammed flight modes are not appropriate for the model in my opinion. Most of us buying foamies in this category understand how to properly program a gyro, test it for proper fuction. I myself reprogram all my SAFE receivers and use A3S3 on PNP planes without any issues to fit my style of flying and try keep all my models working the same way. Atti lock, normal and trainer are just poor flight mode choices in my opinion but that is just me.

[Evan D]

You just called most HH customers idiots?

[Naveda08]

You just called most HH customers idiots?

OH NO!!! I hope I dont get slapped or cancelled

[Hugh Wiedman]

You just called most HH customers idiots?

Hey, I started out a few years ago as a HH customer and can definitely assure you that I WAS an idiot. Unfortunately, not much has changed in that department even though I'm now totally an MRC groupie!

[xviper]

Hey, I started out a few years ago as a HH customer and can definitely assure you that I WAS an idiot. Unfortunately, not much has changed in that department even though I'm now totally an MRC groupie!

I can say the same about me and Banana Hobby. I bought a few things from them and realized ......................... WHAT AN IDIOT! Not a single one of them flew well and some didn't fly at all. They are trying these days but unfortunately, they try a bit TOO hard (in an obnoxious manner) and the end result is turning potential customers OFF.

[kallend]

Not saying that at all. I comes programed. If you want to take it out and put it in another plane then you may need to reprogram it but in this plane you're good.

Just because another gyro can be programed without a "card" doesn't mean others can. While I find Johns observation that it looks similar to the HE, that really doesn't mean they are in function. Maybe James can add some info as to function and when the programmer will be available. I'm sure those with the PJ are also wondering (some markets are including the E52 in it).

The "mode" that people prefer is a very personal thing. I certainly dislike "atti lock" and similar, and agree that it should be made easy to select the mode(s) you prefer without paying for an extra gadget. If FW won't make a downloadable PC app available, maybe a 3rd party will.

I have also been careful to say that just because the E52 bears an obvious family resemblance to the A3S3, right down to the pictures in the manual, the available operating modes, data port and the pin assignments, that does not mean that it is firmware compatible with the HE programming card. Try it if you wish, but be aware that it may well not work.

[Flying Dutchman]

Because the preprogammed flight modes are not appropriate for the model in my opinion.

I am curious how you can make such a statement, without even have flown the model yet!

I would definitely try it first, pre-programmed and set to it’s optimal settings according to the people with 200+ flights under their belts, before even thinking about making it ‘better’.

[kallend]

I am curious how you can make such a statement, without even have flown the model yet!

I would definitely try it first, pre-programmed and set to it’s optimal settings according to the people with 200+ flights under their belts, before even thinking about making it ‘better’.

"Settings" and "mode" are really different things.

The "mode" that people prefer is a very personal thing. If you've flown 35 other models and know you dislike "atti lock", it's more than likely that you will dislike it on your next model too.

[Naveda08]

I am curious how you can make such a statement, without even have flown the model yet!

I would definitely try it first, pre-programmed and set to it’s optimal settings according to the people with 200+ flights under their belts, before even thinking about making it ‘better’.

I don't think you understand how the flight modes work by your statement. Flight modes and gyro settings(gains, priorities, etc) are different things

[Flying Dutchman]

I understand that the preprogrammed flight modes are not up to your personal liking. Missed your post #385 earlier.

But that doesn’t mean that they are not appropriate for this model. That would be a rather bold statement.

[Naveda08]

I understand that the preprogrammed flight modes are not up to your personal liking. Missed your post #385 earlier.

But that doesn’t mean that they are not appropriate for this model. That would be a rather bold statement.

I disagree, pls explain how Atti-lock has any usefulness in this particular model, over lets say Self-level mode? The gyro has 6 modes and two of the three they have chosen as preprogrammed are pretty useless in my opinion, don't even get me started on Trainer mode lol.

[Jdcrow]

I disagree, pls explain how Atti-lock has any usefulness in this particular model, over lets say Self-level mode? The gyro has 6 modes and two of the three they have chosen as preprogrammed are pretty useless in my opinion, don't even get me started on Trainer mode lol.

Heres a little advice...... Start your own thread with your expertise. This Product Release thread isnt the place.

imo, time for some moderators to clean up these pages

stop this type of bashing the product designers choices and operational designs, the bashing of other mfg or people who purchase from them, and spamming the product release thread.

[crxmanpat]

So no go on grass today. I tried 3 times and just couldn't get enough airspeed for lift off. Grass is bermuda (golf course grass) that was cut on Friday. Grass was dry on my attempts. Oh well, I'll have to save this for events that have a paved runway.

[Balsa Bob]

Probably still early in the process ..... but wondering if there are any thoughts yet on a preferred battery size (5000 mah or 6000 mah) for it ?

[Gravythe clown]

So looking at the clams I’m wondering if a dual servo setup would work for ail/ barn doors for the A-10.
I not sure if you could get the upper to travel down or the lower to travel up enough to act as one control surface, but not sure you would need to.
lower travels down and up stays flat for up lift and upper travel up while lower stay flat for down decent. The Clamerons for air brakes.
I might buy a A-10 wing to see if I can work this. Just thinking.

Gravy

[Gilatrout]

I'm really struggling with the setup with my Spectrum radio.

As near as I can tell, there is no way to setup the plane without reversing channels in the radio.

Rudder, needs reversing. There are no wires to swap to fix this. Can't tell yet if this is going to be a problem in the gyro.

Aileron/elevator after getting everything to move correctly by switching wires, a gyro test showed the surfaces moving opposite of the setup by the gyro. After undoing everything and getting it setup with reverse in tx it appears to move correctly with gyro movement. In any case it is clear that the manual instructions here are correct in spirit but incorrect with reality.

Elevator, gyro doesn't seem to move this surface much so I can't say for certain it isn't bolloxed.

Much clearer and specific instructions for each radio are required. If I had to guess, the setup was done and tested on only one radio type.

I'd also like a clear testing mode in the gyro to ensure control surfaces are moving as expected.