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  • Reposted nothing has changed about the crest factor ripple or torque delivery of the comparative systems and you wont see any articles or proof stating otherwise in the modern era of motor control. Don't be distracted by non essential irrelevant information and name drops that have nothing to do with it. The facts are the facts all that other **** is donkey!
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    • Hi,
      tab on the „+“ of each project and you will see what s going on , https://www.unibw.de/elapsed/projektinhalt . Don t look at the old papers. They are nice but do not look what we need.
      And YES , you are right with rectangular current wave form . I know it , OKAY !! You win. But read the best Wirsing paper from Swizerland.

      Happy Amps Christian

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      • Originally posted by Chxpress View Post
        Hi,
        tab on the „+“ of each project and you will see what s going on , https://www.unibw.de/elapsed/projektinhalt . Don t look at the old papers. They are nice but do not look what we need.
        And YES , you are right with rectangular current wave form . I know it , OKAY !! You win. But read the best Wirsing paper from Swizerland.

        Happy Amps Christian
        No I dont need to read the Article I'm fine here plus I'm a rookie that doesn't know anything about electrical engineering or motor drives so how could i possibly interpret a paper from Geniuses... I sent you the BRUSA BMW paper from Switzerland 3 years ago!!!

        Im not entertaining anything but completing these drives as the forum was told I cannot do it and do not know anything. I want them to see who really is full of **** and goes around calling people names because they don't agree with his theory which was wrong,. Then just act like were all good now.

        People on social media are crazy as hell because the really think they can do that without consequence like no one has been watching everything said here

        Like its not archived on helifreaks and many other places for years

        Imma kill all such fallacy with real ability while people TYPE donkey! as their intelligent argument.



        and yeah I KNOW IM RIGHT! AND HAVE BEEN FOR QUITE AWHILE!!!

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        • There's no turning back for a lost soul. Please stay with the axis of evil. As you can see they are always more enthusiastic about articles and academic injection than I am. No reprisal is really needed here as you are punished enough already there in my view.

          Even the fallacious conduct and epithet fits much better there. I prefer to be constructive, and stay away from the Death Star.

          Thank you for your time and patience
          Hubert
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          • If I'm so intelligent and I'm so kind then I would not be using epithet across an open forum I was invited too and actually be able to work across international borders with PROFESSIONAL electrical and manufacturing engineers in America to actually build something better for hobby. If I had a real spirit in hobby motor drives and electronics like a donkey id gather up diodes mosfets a few resistors a pot with my scope and have a look. Id have better things to do than just keyboarding all day. I don't even have the spirit of hobby or learning. I've lost all of that shoving my own head up my azz and I do not wind motors anymore or run models just my damn mouth. I cant over myself and what I did in the 80s or in industry that wont make a single hobbyist motor run better in 2025 unless a capable empiricist incorporates it.

            These sad faced clowns need me and dont even know it.

            Learn to appreciate real sharing like the BEMF capture and true interpretation of a scope and waveform you are looking at.

            Thanks
            Hubert
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              Appreciate that you can take this MC33035 IC Ive shown you and a N channel 3 phase bridge and have a fully functioning 30 Volt closed loop BLDC trap drive with hall sense. Here the logic side with hall sense decoder and power for the MCU is already consolidated to a PCB. Ensure it is yourself not Mertz that can build such an easy thing as a BLDC drive in 2025. And that it is you that is at the cutting edge of power transistor technology everyday where you work professionally.

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              Thank you for your time and patience
              Hubert
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              • Hi,
                Well then I'll stay on the side of the bad guys. You are the abandoned soul here. I can continue to communicate with my friends and write in forums anywhere in the world. I know someone who can only write here. There isn't much going on in this forum anyway. Take a look at your rubber duck thread, no one reads anything about your rubber duck.
                I always thought you wanted to be different from the usual copiers who just wrap a new wire on the stator and feel like a hero. It looks like you haven't developed any further. Do you want to be constructive? finally show something that is different and much better than what is already offered from China. Of the many pages you write here about electronics, it's just a wild copy and paste here anyway. There isn't a single controller from you. I now have a nice FOC regulator that regulates your usual motors at 45 volts without sensors with a standard setting of up to 340 amps. Next level will be 500 amps for it. Since the drives work much more efficiently in partial load operation, they save a lot of energy, which is then available during full use when your square actuators have almost drained the battery. Therefore, high efficiency is much more important than your postulated phantasy peak performance value. He doesn't care.
                So have fun imitating Powercroco, constructively it's something else.
                PS: when should the rubber duck see water? Will this happen in the next few years?

                Ah , from Infinion , here from Munich , i have worked there for 8 years, starting bussines. I can stop the delivery if you like.
                Happy Amps Christian​

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                  For US,
                  I went ahead and ordered another 12 GaNFet for the floating zero point space vector controlled FOC 90V inverter. They could be teamed also with the MC33035 but they are 90V so the BLDC IC would have to peel off on its own 30V rail. There are a few shunt resistors, CAN devices. and various sockets I need for the programming dongle to speak to the device. I need to find a really good 30 or40 volt modern transistor to run with the Motorola BLDC IC. The hall sensor I will use are Texas instrument. Its time to set the mill up for repeatable milling operations on location. Ill only build protypes with it. The final will be on 8 layer PCB's with thru hole cooling vias, Here is a basic high current pad arrangement for TO 220 or DpaK2 Mosfet. you can drac PCB in fusion but I use paid version of Dip Trace to design the PCB and create the Gerber file.


                  Thank you for your time and patience,
                  Hubert
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                  • Hi
                    Sorry I reported the GaNFET incorrectly. It is a 100 volt 90 ampere GaNFET. 9kW each. I have 28 on the way from Mouser. A 1000 reel is $4,890.00 USD
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                    • Hi for US,
                      We have Hall sensors from Texas Instrument DRV 5013. 100 of them are 53 dollars plus shipping from Mouser. These should also help a capable person integrate hall sense to an unsensed outrunner like a scorpion and then run it a sensed mode with an off the shelf inverter like a castle Hydra XLX2 that would give you better part load operation and timing.

                      DRV5013-Q1 Automotive, Digital-Latch Hall Effect Sensor datasheet (Rev. I)
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                      • Hi lost soul,

                        where is your creativity, where is your knowledge? have you lost it? why do you need 3 sensors to record the rotor position. The magnets are arranged equidistantly. The start should be operated with 3 phases. All are parameters that are known and are all closely related. 3 phases always have an electrical 120 degrees to each other. You only need one probe to precisely control everything else. Only if you have to carry out exact positioning or have very strong shifts in a single phase do you need several sensors, but encoders etc. are best. who can do it much better. Well, once again you're just showing Hubert that you're just spreading fake knowledge from the Internet here. Finally do something innovative.
                        The Hydra has good starting but no full speed sensing where you lost Sync.

                        From the dark side
                        Lucas​

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                          If You all look at the diagram you will see how worthless the fallacious post is. Acting ignorant doesn't change how it works. If motors only used one hall switch the plug for all the car motor would only have 3 pins on the back. A person can keep making a fool of themselves on a forum or interpret the diagrams with the THREE hall switches .The castle trigger setup works the same way an NO one has said a thing about using it to run WOT or desync issues but German social media. Im implementing it to take full advantage of castle cool sense technology. It has zero to do with wot or operation. Partial load is what was posted so again i have no idea what the individual is talking about. It's totally incorrect and very ignorant. Dysync is the problem there. I've never mentioned it as an issue here... You have never hooked the castle hall sense to anything so why come here with fallacy when you know nothing about it in reality based on your post. The disruptive poster does not have an XLX2 or hydra version of it. They have the lower version anyway. They aren't modern halls for pre shifting transmissions so don't A waste the Americans time posting what they already know. The firmware and necessary hardware is also not there. So it is fine to know about a concept in an article you read versus what really works with a castle. You don't know much about the inverter apparently. Must be language barrier.

                          Open up a castle 1724 drag motor and see how wrong you are just like this one shows you in front of the forum again. Learn to read instructions. Because the inverter sounds terrible with the 41 series Lehner
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                          • You need to be concerned with you own outrunner problems with the CASTLE BLDC inverter when a brand new 41 series motor sounds like this on it. Since you know. Show the forum how to hook the castle hall sense up to the motor then with the one hall switch...🤣 The Americans will appreciate the photos an detailed explanation on the subject matter.


                            Turn it down my ears hurt buddy! That's sounding REALLY efficient and I'm sure the speeders are more than motivated buy it. It is a fact that my quality hand wound motors that emit a trap bemf never sound like this on a trap drive. All you hear is the fan running.

                            You must run 5 dollar NMB's like Ralph.. Its louder than a brushed Minn kota... so troll on....


                            Hubert
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                            • Hi lost soul,

                              as we can see, you have little idea why the castle controller has the sensors. The XLX2 only has them in order to avoid losing synchronization in RC cars or any other application where a high starting torque is required. If higher speeds are required for vehicles, it is no longer necessary because the torque no longer plays a role. Timing adjustments to weaken the field, etc. are more in demand because the higher final speed means that a higher final speed on the straights is achieved. This means that a gear ratio to the rear axle can be selected that allows better acceleration and then uses timing to increase the speed as if you were switching to a higher gear. This is not necessary for boats and propellers in airplanes. The highest performance is only required when the greatest performance is required and if you want this at maximum speed, then it is at the highest load speeds. Of course, you can also approach it differently, but speed pilots don't want to understand that, so we'll stick with the method mentioned above. At maximum power at the highest load speed, the motors, even those rewound by Hubert, often suffer from a synclosure, as the high field strengths are then no longer transmitted correctly by the static pressure. With just one Hall probe, this can be easily and cheaply avoided and the machine can achieve top performance that would not be possible without it. So unfortunately another stupid mistake by Hubert Hargett. I think Brenner Contradrive should offer alternative motors that have better efficiency than the redesigned Kontronik Pyro. The Pyro is also much more expensive due to the new President and no one in the USA makes comparable motors.

                              Sad things

                              From the dark side.
                              Lucas​

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                              • Hey donkey
                                You are because its open loop at wot so if desync occurs there its not going to do anything to help. You dont know because you v'e never hooked it up or added halls to the noise box. As is it sound like hot trash on the inverter. Can you get around that posting fallacy and incorrect information? You brought the inverter on my suggestion. And never did anything with it or you'd know.

                                Most 1/7 drag racers use FW that eliminates it altogether but I know you know.... It also needs the special FW for low ohm Deltas but again i know you know.

                                Traction control is for launches not the finish! and Cryo-Drive which is their patented fw has zero to do with desynchronization. You dont have an XLX2 either. My castle is more powerful than yours.

                                But I know you know....

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                                • SmartSense™ mode uses the motor’s sensors to start the motor to provide smooth starts, excellent torque, and low-speed drivability.Once the motor is spinning, it seamlessly transitions to Castle’s ultra-efficient sensorless mode. You’ll put more power to the ground, where it should be, instead of wasting it through raw heat and RPMs.
                                  ~Castle Creations~

                                  It has zero to do with desynchronization at a heavy load. I am here with the complete castle and NEU power systems not just an inverter with a non optimal motor for it. "It generates a sinus" remember? Do you hear how efficient it sounds on it?

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                                  • DO YOU KNOW IN ALL YOUR GENIUS??

                                    That the screeching noise is a telltale sign that the brushless motor you are running is losing its synchronization with the ESC? Increasing motor timing may help solve this issue. Low motor timing is commonly used on motors that have a low magnetic pole count and a hot wind.​

                                    So i guess you need to implement a few things im showing you to actually get it to even commutate correctly from the jump.
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                                    Ralph.... and the boys are on board & laughing at the truth about the drive right now.... did the Fallacy work???

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                                    • What are the differences between sensored and sensorless operation?

                                      There are some operating distinctions between sensored and sensorless motors, each has its strengths and weaknesses. Our sensored design allows for users to combine the best of both worlds in an unrivaled HYBRID between smooth sensored startups and a high-efficiency sensorless drive. SMARTSENSE™ uses the motors sensors to start the motor to provide smooth starts, excellent torque, and low-speed drivability. Once the motor is turning, it seamlessly transitions to Castle’s ULTRA- EFFICIENT sensorless mode.
                                      • Sensored operation allows for a smoother initial start compared to a sensorless motor due to the detection of the rotor position The sensors allow the ESC to sense the rotor shaft’s position; this allows the ESC to start the motor at very low RPMs with no “cogging”. Sensorless motors will, by nature, “cog” or stutter when attempting to apply the throttle slowly from a complete stop.
                                      • Although sensorless brushless motors do not perform well at low speed, their performance at high speed is excellent. In place of using Hall-effect sensors for determining the rotor's position and/or speed, a phenomenon called back EMF is employed in a sensorless design. At high speed the ESC will alter the timing for the sequence of power pulses that are sent to the motor’s windings, in turn improving efficiency and performance.
                                      • The main drawback of sensored motors shows up at higher speeds when the sensor feedback becomes unreliable. Harsh conditions such as dusty or high-heat environments can affect the sensors and, therefore, motor operation. There are ways that a sensored motor can “monitor” its condition and we provide them within the industry leading software functionality of Castle Link.
                                      • When running, a motor must transition between different load points and a different timing advance is required for optimal efficiency at all load points. Using mechanical timing adjustments alone, you can only target one driving condition, such as higher start power or higher top end speed. This sacrifices performance and efficiency during the other driving phases. Electronic timing in SMARTSENSE™ will advance timing automatically for peak performance during all driving conditions.
                                      ​Yes LOST!. Maybe you can accept Castles explanation? And that Ralph and the JAGS boys are not crawlers. But they are laughing.... Click image for larger version  Name:	image.png Views:	3 Size:	731.7 KB ID:	418892 Enjoy the arch radius hall board with 3 halls and the external 4 pole trigger with a 6 wire plug. Maybe you need the vibration dampening wave spring.



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                                      • Hi Hubert,

                                        now the readers are laughing their heads off at you.

                                        You're spreading such stupid stuff here. Castle writing like that is pure advertising, but what kind of idiot would let themselves be told that you can only drive simple, mechanically set timing angles with constantly working sensors? Such nonsense. For example, we have resolvers on the motors and record every x/th of an angle of the rotor. Every simple machine can generate this with just one sensor. The controller software detects the coil inductance, the current and the rotor position and then calculates the optimal timing angle, and you can set this for the highest efficiency or up to maximum power throughput using the software settings and thus specify the calculation parameters. It's as usual with you, you just read something about the controllers somewhere and have never really had anything to do with the latest controllers and their software like that of Ralf Helbing's Genius Software. That's why you don't know the wide range of parameters that are recorded and taken into account.
                                        Well, that's a shame for you, so you'll just have to go with the usual nonsense that you can buy. Your rubber duck will probably never reach record-breaking speeds. Because of your drive and mostly because of your lack of knowledge about boats. As it looks now, your boat will either dig through the water like a snow plow or test the backward roll with the bow raised high. It looks like it won't be able to achieve a reasonable position in the water with minimal resistance and maximum speed with the components you're installing. You won't be allowed to take part in an official SAW anyway, you've already said too much about the other participants.

                                        From the dark side
                                        Lucas​

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                                        • No you are mistaken that's just how it works. You have the video of the desync commutation with your motor. I'm sorry but that's reality. I'm sorry but fallacy does not support the subject matter of hall sense with one hall switch to a castle. You don't have it or an example and no hobbyist will see that anywhere. As you can see it uses 3 switches and a 4 pole trigger to work with any castle inverter that has that. The XLX does not..
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