Alternative motor windings and drive schemes

[Clugh]

What you won't show your friends is your 5050 motor constants . I can destroy it with several different brands not just one. Since you stuck on the bi filar bull **** and think you know more than Dr Dorell in the UK I can even wind the black and gold and get better numbers....
i dont know what scorpion is thinking by having a representative that wont wind their lighter more efficient A series and runs YGE versus their great Tribunis inverter. U still running an inverter with a turnigy brain you can get from hobby king and the most antiquated fet technology still in existence but say I need to study? U have lost you ever loving mind bro bro as I'm sitting here a beta tester of one of the most efficient drives on the planet and another coming out that is load agnostic. Are you serious right now. We are developing a GaN based device. You haven't a clue Ralph Okon, about such new technology.


Bis du deine Scheiße selbst auf die Reihe gekriegt hast. Erzähl mir nie in einem verdammten Hobbyforum in Deutschland voller Amateure, dass ich mehr lernen muss.

Hubert

[Clugh]

Ask your little friends how much SiC thermally conducts and if they smart ass ever conceived it or a pyrolytic graphite heat sink? You alls idea of advanced is water cooling.... that **** is funny!!

Imma talk to you bruh...im not at all convinced of your Guru status. U know electronics are not your lane so keep it real with yourself bruder.

TTYL
Hubert

[Clugh]

Hi All
I just found the time to watch the video. I didn't realize that plane flew that long or that the pilot was that good. WOW not only is that great piloting that man is a modeling and mechanical genius. You better believe it Okon. These F3A boys are top notch. They all definitely request something better in a motor than NMB. They state the ceramics last forever. U cracking jokes but they want to extract every ounce of goodness. Having this man who clearly knows more than me about gearing break down for me why the weight of the engine matters so much to them in their sport was an incredible learning experience for me. Do I heckle and dispute him with fallacy on a remote forum at every turn? No I shut up and listen coz no matter who you are you'll meet someone you can stand to learn from. I'm equally impressed by the F3A drive designs being shared with me which I assure you are state of the art. They are very intelligent and very kind. They found me I did not solicit any services to anyone please be aware of that Ralph. I'm not really about money like that but they have had no issues about money . They are willing to pay 100 dollars for 3 bearings but look at the planes. They are at least 10,000 dollars. It makes sense because they don't want issue in the air and are keeping close tabs on consumption. Even the batteries have to be the right size and weight for their demands. They are taking account of every small detail Ralph. Every gram every amp. You just do not understand the demands of a serious American. They are definitely not in love with the Queen of England. If you think every American is you have a very distorted view of US through your lens calling us Anglophiles. But I know you got similar names for everybody u meet not German. We don't care about that. That is your handicap. I just hope and pray that my 650 performs up to and exceeds their standards which is WC! I was the one requested another 650 to perfect it. I haven't received any data on the 8+8 17 AWG yet. But personally I think the 6 step drive will run better with a Delta machine. We are planning test based upon the theory soon. I'm setting up a reactionary torque cradle so we can try to deliver true efficiency numbers based on the mechanical output. I have to know the torque as well as the rpm on the output side. Static prop stand test and datalogging are far from enought to paint a real picture of performance.


Boho1
Today, 12:02 PM
Just so you all know... you couldn't peel Dr. Ralph Okon from these pages if you wanted to. Youd have to ban this aryan mf! to keep him off my pages of photos and information!


He is salivating to see the 600 gram 6000 watt composite coaxial drive but he's stuck at epoxy to secure his wires



Were not about banning the competition. We welcome it and all that want to participate especially if it is going to be this easy to defeat them..

Talk to yall later I want to work on the 650. Im off for the rest of the week so I need to make use of this time.

The one thing the motor winding will not get in front of is my fishing so everyone can know that coming in. I plan to start fishing in Redfish tournaments by the fall. If you a Strick time demander don't bother because I don't like to be rushed. I have a full life and plan to live it before I die. I know how hobbyist are. You die and before they bury you they want the molds!!!!!



1love
Hubert

[Clugh]

And please don't forget my boat. I'm trying to re claim for America the fastest electric monoplane speed record held by Germany .
its is over 125 miles per HOUR!!! The boat is illegal as far as I'm concerned its a cathedral hull which is illegal in the class they say its not. The CD didn't measure the boat because no one disputed it. By the rule if no one ask for the measurement it wont be measure and that stands. Im not a fool the man wont take a picture for me with a straight edge and depth gauge to measure the concavity of the hull. There is a max dimension by the rules. The boat has a Lehner in it and I dispute it so that's how me and Christian Lucas the CL-UGH fall out of grace again. My problem has nothing to do with the motor that is in the boat. Lehner is a great electric motor so he can be mad. I'll leave it that way. The man would take the photo of the boat and shut my mouth. I know the streets. In my heart he lying. The only thing Christian did by calling me people of color boy because I want a measurement on a guys boat is lost my valuable friendship.

Thats the way love goes
~Janet Jackson~


Hubert

[Clugh]

This is for you America.
We still have craftsmen here.

[Clugh]

Hey Ralph, wo sind diese Platten? Christian sagte, er würde sie dir zurückschicken, damit ich sie holen kann. Da du sie nicht brauchst, warum schickst du sie mir nicht, damit wir den Flusensperrstator bauen können? Du sagst, es ist ein Gimmick, das nicht funktioniert, also schick es mir, Großmaul. Das ist für Meister. Du weißt nichts über Materialien, Sohn.

[Clugh]

So würde sich ein halbmagnetischer Nutkeil wie Magnovol in einen Experten für Siliziumstahlgeometrie integrieren lassen! Hier ist meiner Meinung nach die Einzelschicht die Vorteile einer Doppelschicht voll ausnutzen. Bevor Sie losquatschen, sollten SIE die Theorie testen, da ich mir darüber keine Sorgen mache. Ich weiß bereits, was sie bewirken wird. Das mit Eisen gefüllte PLA ist im Wesentlichen dasselbe wie das Magnovol.... Ich habe beide seit Jahren zum Studieren. Sie reden in den deutschen sozialen Medien, haben aber noch nie ein einziges dieser Materialien in der Hand gehabt. So schützen Sie PM und Rotor vor der 2-poligen Subharmonischen. Es verbessert auch den Leistungsfaktor der Maschine. Sie sind noch kein Meister. Ich kann es auf dem TAREQ verwenden! Möchten Sie Konstanten posten???

Erzählen Sie bitte noch ein paar Witze in Deutschland....


Sincerely,
Hubert

[Clugh]

Hier liegt der Magnovol für Schlitzkeile in Industriequalität, der in diskreten Labors vollständig getestet wurde und buchstäblich hier auf meinem Schoß liegt. Das, was Sie tun, um Ihre Freunde in Deutschland zu beeindrucken, wird bei mir nicht funktionieren, das versichere ich Ihnen. Ich mache das für mein Leben, Bruder. So mache ich meinen Kratzer...

[Clugh]

Leg dich nicht mit mir an. Ich habe volle 2 Meter Alpha-Eisen mit 125 mm Durchmesser für eine makellose Vollkernmaschine. Daraus könnte ich die „E“-Kerne schneiden lassen. Es gibt keine COTS-Hobbymaschine, die das kann. Du kannst die Konstanten deines CoFe 5050 posten.

[Clugh]

Good morning crocker you up early for class. 😁

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Now if you can integrate this into Martin Hepperle's Java prop then you have something.

Master tools from North America.....

Thanks for your time and patience.
Hubert

[Clugh]

Boho1
Today, 08:41 AM

Hallo Ralph, die Jungs sind so erfreut, dass sie mir eine Vertragsverlängerung zum Wiederaufbau der Motoren anbieten. Die Jungs sagen mir auch, ich könne ein Hochgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug bauen und der derzeit zweitbeste Pilot der Welt würde es für mich fliegen. Erzähl Witze in Deutschland, denn vielleicht schicke ich dir eine Nachricht und antworte per Luftpost. Und vergiss nicht, Marcus wird mir auch ein Flugzeug bauen. Er ist WIRKLICH nicht Teil des Krieges, versichert er mir. Was, wenn ich in deinen eigenen Sport einsteige und ein besseres Ergebnis erziele? Du wirst immer noch Witze erzählen, wenn ich dir deinen ganzen Glanz nehme. Genau das wird passieren. Wir können alles mit den richtigen Werkzeugen nachbauen, wir können auch die Bauanleitungen lesen und verstehen. Ich habe als Kind Flugzeuge gebaut und wollte ursprünglich Luft- und Raumfahrtingenieur werden. Siehst du, du weißt nichts über POCBOI. Aber ich werde dir beibringen, meinen deutschen Namen zu respektieren, der Hubert ist. Was auf Deutsch „hell und intelligent“ bedeutet. Meine Einnahmen aus einem 3-Jahres-Vertrag als Pyromane werden das Projekt problemlos finanzieren.



Danke
Hubert

[Clugh]

Anyone can buy a plane from Marcus. He does not discriminate.

[Clugh]

Years ago we talked personally and have no beef. Marcus is not involved in any of the nonsense. He just wants to sell his beautiful airframes. Anyone can buy one. Money isn't a problem and I already have all the necessary components except the radio. I had already planned to back my 10 px up with a stick so Ill probably buy the 16 channel Futaba. All I need is a pilot Ralph. These planes cost about the same as my 1/8th scale hydros maybe a little less. I still like the idea of the avionik with a p600. I can afford to send big airmail to Germany...

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[Clugh]

Jul 18, 2018, 04:03 PM #393
1boho	Quote: Originally Posted by scorpion-fan 1boho, you are right so far. "rude" had been the right word and not "uneducated". again into the laguage trap. in germany politeness? is that, what we name a part of education. but this is also a way to learn a foreign language. and it's very rude to name someone only with his family name. so its better I stay with my blog furthermore and do my things as I want to do them. and there is no need for me to go with 14poles, 10 are good enough for me and my use. You seem to speak English very well. You use phrases like "your master" and "tool" quite effectively to un politely label me. It is a result of your delusion that Christian drives the technical questions asked of you. I have told you several times in public and private that this isn't the case. I don't think he would offer you the information I just did to help. I think your motors are a work of art. A very nice display of quality and craftsmanship, that perform very well, but I also like others offerings. You know I have several scorpion motors in my possession so they are not a problem for me. They don't call me "tool" or suggest the idea that another human is my "master". That's insane Ralph. Nevertheless if it bothers you so much that some of the comments aren't ones of praise, but instead ones of curiosity or things to consider start the blog. That is totally up to you, but it is a real disservice to your growth and motor development. When I heard of you it was actually in the positive light of his suggestion to look at your winds but when I mentioned his name to you I also instantly became your public enemy. You also let me know that he was worthless to you and his knowledge ineffective as far as you were concerned. It came as a total shock to me as I was under the impression through him that you were friends. It was you that corrected that thought Ralph. The technical agreements that often coincide with him come as a result of my own studies into how motors work and not a lynch mob mentality. I imagine He certainly doesn't have the time for nor do I need him to direct any of this. It is fact that he is a valued friend and has offered much help but lets be honest in front of the public Dr. Okon, it would still not drive me to advise you wrong. CL and I have had public forum meltdowns that yours is minuscule to in comparison. The difference is I'm not going to my grave holding a grudge against anyone over a motor. That's pitiful! It is possible, if you tried, to have Rogerian discussion that hurts no ones reputation or status in the overall scheme of things. We would all learn something from this but it appears from what you say that you have no genuine interest in teaching or learning. For me it is very troubling that a truly educated person would make that call but it is what it is so from here I'm back to learning from and teaching people that value such an exchange. Good day...

Remeber the time.....
~Micheal Jackson~
And since you dont need 14 poles we never have to worry about this 14 pole right? At 10 poles it will be a very bad performer wired this way. 🤕





See what you say in America But in Germany you post this after you see mine and we showed you Dr Gerlings.

Do you see that? Mine was blessed by Dr Gerling. You take my ideas and show them off as your own then say I need to study Ralph.

This is what I'm talking about boys. In 2024 Im "Pocboy" and he doesn't feed black trolls . See what I got being civil anyway? and nothing about the .15 w/mk potting material , steel vs hybrid bearing are a dumb idea, and the Neu 8057 thread does not answer where the 7455 torque went in comparison. Pocboy is the answer to my questions remotely. The technical aspects are never engaged so to me I cant see anything but what is there. On math paper, In the calculators, and in the air P.O.C.B.O.I. has been better though so he camped here now watching every move . U see I even complimented his machines. Nothing works with ignorance . Im sorry that's a fact. You see he hasn't removed his signature so why should I not eat him up technically to put the credibility back into my name.

The man steals from me and "err thang bruh"

I cannot take dude seriously. He has no idea the long nights I've put in studying electronics years before he knew what an electric motor was.

You boys chew on that for awhile and how Im supposedly the trouble maker while he currently sits here silently as "boho1" and tries to steal from me.. 😀

Do you see in your plain sight his split tooth 14 pole external rotor in FEMM? He got all that from me...tells you on RC groups he has no use for 14 poles when I show him then runs over to Germany to his boys and says hey guys look what I got. They just banned me from the German sight to avoid that entire discussion.

Theft.

So I'm not a troll really 😄 I just plug numbers and don't believe everything he says about his motors because he and it doesn't add up all the time..He has excellent hands and winds beautifully but to try to discredit me and what I give you on hobby forums here or remotely is not going to work.

TTYL
Hubert

[Clugh]

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[Clugh]

Anyway lets move on boys . America will be okay. Right now Im trying to secure the other pieces to finish the data acquisition. I have two easy ideas that any modeler can use to get a mechanical measure of rpm and required torque on their hobby machine and propeller or a load. All they need from there is a watt meter on the front end and they are good. This is an open source Open Log Artemis logging system from spark fun that lets you interface things like load cells, strain gauges, FLIR cameras, temperature. etc. It also allow you interface to visual aids like the PC GUI or graphic or alphanumeric lcd screens. I already built the optical tach and trigger wheel and use a 6 inch lever arm in a torque cradle on a load cell but this is not the easiest way to measure the dynes. The easiest thing to use would be a servo as a reactionary mount for the motor and propellor. This is a very simple thing to do if you have a 3d printer a digital multimeter or an amp clamp and some weights to calibrate it and find its holding torque per amp function if it is not listed. You can measure a few holding amperage points with calibrated weight on a lever arm or string from a line and regress a holding torque per amp function. From there you can plot the holding torque at any rpm the motor and propellor want to be turned because the amperage draw will rise on the servo to remain stationary at its spindle as the rpm rises and that will correlate to a fairly accurate torque value. You can get a robust metal gear servo for virtually nothing and 3d print or machine the adaptations to mount it on the servos spindle. This is very easy to do and should be a fun project for someone that claims they are in it for the hobby. Its really not a gimmick because the most expensive accurate and powerful servos will cost you as much as some reactionary torque sensors. The load cell I have here is TEDS compliant. The load cell amplifier is the other piece. It is I2C capable so it is plug in play into the logging unit and then you solder the universal load cells leads to it or use the spring loaded connection on the amplifier board.

[Clugh]

Optical Tach.

The idea is to put a 100 volt load generator on the cradled prime mover and brake it with the 3 phase load generators BEMF. Real time datalogging of the rpm and torque required at these events will give me steady state mechanical output acquisition so it would be somewhat different than an inertial dyne meter. Where you are comparing mathematically what is happening to a known requirement to accelerate a certain solid cylindrical mass and kicking out a value from the computer .

[Clugh]

Check out the thermocouple and FLIR camera modules. You could get very elaborate if you chose. You can put the standard DMM thermistor directly on the wye bundles or phase wires and log the temperature of the windings versus the external bell.

[Clugh]

Hi Ralph
I see you here...

Christian told me you were using a welders glove and your hand to brake the rotors on the motors. That's dangerous as hell pimp so don't. If you want to crudely load the motor then watch it accelerate back to simulate a SAW load put the external rotor mounted on a right angle mount in here with enough clearance that the strap can go underneath the bell Its better to use a long shaft and cradle it for support on both ends. This will also tell you alot about a radial load on your bearings too that's why it isnt my favorite but it might have experimental value in that area as well. It would be better if you let you motor drive a cradled brass drum you have permanently mounted in the strap. Then you can use that brass drum as the torque truth table in the inertial fashion as well. You could build the hangman out of wood and a leather belt. Really simple and much safer. 360 free machining brass is very cheap and easy to turn on your lathe. Machine a longer small diameter drum for higher rpm. You have to be careful with the surface speed here so the diameter can't be that large at all if you are going to safely look at high rpm.

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[Clugh]

Boho1
Today, 06:53 PM
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Goodness... LOL!

Ralph let me tell your friends in Germany and America how the Clugh Pyromania 600 gets even better for the Brenner contra drive. They can get the stator simply rewound for a fee or a master rebuild from me.

The Clugh pyro master rebuild is $601.00 USD!

• A custom-wound 600 pyro motor from Kontronik that is wound for the ten-pole rotor, resulting in a 940 rpm/V Kv.
• An extended rotor shaft that allowed the motor to be supported at the rear.
• An extended 2mm cap screw to locate and hold the stator that was Loctited with high-temperature Loctite.
• A hardened steel-bearing spacer tube.
• 3 electrically isolated ABEC 7 ceramic bearings specially prepared with a proprietary dry lube.
• Thermally coupled windings with a proprietary thermally conductive epoxy

With our master rebuild the bearings are tied together axially with the hardened steel spacer and will last virtually forever. All Ill have to do is remove your shields clean and re lube them.



Thank you for your time and patience,
Hubert